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作者: 銘銘媽 時間: 07-8-2 16:34 標題: 唔好意思講句, 不過真係真心話

唔好意思講句, 我個人覺得, 除非認為個小朋友有問題, 都唔須要做咩智力評估呀, 須然係好似知道個小朋友既智力去到邊, 咁可以幫到佢, 但係咁做, 會唔會 LABEL 咗個小朋友,
例如:
如果佢高分, 咁就緊係開心啦, 但係你因為佢IQ 高分而加添佢好多既課外學習, 平時功課能力既要求, 咁個小朋友又辛苦, 家長又辛苦, 咁又何苦呢??
又假如出黎個分唔高, 咁家長又擔心個小朋友既將來, 又要諗辦法為幫佢提升 IC, 咁又係係辛苦左大家.
壓力太大, 會令小朋友無興趣, 物極必反, 咪仲衰.
咁點解唔順其自然, 隨著小朋友自然咁成長, 慢慢培養佢, 咁唔係仲好咩???!!!

以上純個人感覺, 請見諒!!

作者: family_1612 時間: 07-8-2 19:03

銘銘媽 :

絕對同意，現在很多家長喜歡把小朋友每樣事都label，如讀唔到名校就會無前途、唔係Band 1 就係差、讀中中，英文一定差等等.......!
點解要一試定生死呢！每一階段都可以重新開始，有人起步快但不代表一定有成就，相反起步慢也不一定失敗。最重要是小朋友知道自己的長處及興趣，而不是做名牌工廠的倒模出品。

作者: ratafan 時間: 07-8-3 00:10

absolutely agreed. some parents would label the schools as good or bad by just refering to how many "A"s they achieve every year in public exams. I think this is meaningless. Having straight-A(s) in public exams doesn't mean the children would live a meaningful live. Schools should rather emphasize on cultivating our kids to have the self-motivation to explore new things themselves, to love and respect others and be a responsible person. But I think HKeducation now is too focused on training kids to be all rounded on academic results, sports, music... etc.

原文章由 family_1612 於 07-8-2 19:03 發表
銘銘媽 :

絕對同意，現在很多家長喜歡把小朋友每樣事都label，如讀唔到名校就會無前途、唔係Band 1 就係差、讀中中，英文一定差等等.......!
點解要一試定生死呢！每一階段都可以重新開始，有人起步快但 ...

作者: 銘銘媽 時間: 07-8-3 11:41

多謝大家既認同呀, 我好感動.

作者: ssaang 時間: 07-8-3 16:41

Totally agreed what you all said.

其實好多現今的報導都令我地知道, 成功不一定靠IQ 啦! 況且人生數十年, 條路好長 ... 慢慢行... 不易的...開心好過啦... 留番D精力實力慢慢用

有時成功,失敗或且開唔開心靠EQ 重多D 啦. 童年只有三數年(前都有五六年:cry: ...) 尢得小朋友開心D 啦 ... 條路有排行....

反正, 有D男仔中學後期先發力.... 一樣考到大學; 有D讀到書的, 同人相處唔到... "仕途"都是一般

作者: natalielin 時間: 07-8-5 02:57

原文章由 銘銘媽 於 07-8-2 16:34 發表
唔好意思講句, 我個人覺得, 除非認為個小朋友有問題, 都唔須要做咩智力評估呀, 須然係好似知道個小朋友既智力去到邊, 咁可以幫到佢, 但係咁做, 會唔會 LABEL 咗個小朋友,
例如:
如果佢高分, 咁就緊係開 ...

同意你地~
其實d媽咪check黎咪就係想話比人知,係呀,我個仔/女係資優生,好叻好聰明囉,好多時都唔係話想知佢係唔係,同唔係想幫個小朋友得到合適既教育方法~

而家有好多唔同既野check,又話學習/語言/讀寫障礙........
其實都係d人賺錢姐,捉到d香港人心態~

比你知左係同唔係,你係唔係真係會搵方法去教/幫佢,定係得個check字,我公司(琴行)都有哩d家長,check左只係四處同人講,係喇,我小朋友好曳,check過係資優生,問佢有咩方法去教,佢話冇架,都係咁啦,佢唔使人教架,佢樣樣都係自己學識<------咁即係唔使返學都得啦,自己學咪得

作者: ANChan59 時間: 07-8-6 02:06

Partially agreed. I declared my son did IQ test 4.5 years ago and scored 137. Sometimes, IQ test with the observations of the psychologist may help su to identify some learning problems of our kids behind high IQ.

We worried our son was slow in learning and poor in speaking when he was before 3 years old. So I searched some info related to learning difficulties in the internet. Amazingly, learning difficulties always linked with gifted and talented. Therefore, I like the approach of Montesourri, which was transformed from slow learner application to normal and even gifted kids.

At the age of 7.5 years old, one of my friends told me that my son is different from other kids, in our mind, he was a slow learner. She introduced a psychologist to us and after counselling and we accepted my son to take the IQ test. He scored well but also discovered his problem in hand writing and poor to use vocaburry. The psychologist told us how to improve his word power and introduced him to do occupational therapy. After 6 months, he improved alot in both.

We needed to be open-minded, different parents have different hidden agenda, most common one is using the report to get into the top notch primary school. We can't deny the good side of the IQ test.

Why they won't go further after IQ test? It's because the gifted education in HK is extremely bad. Parents are difficult to find the right program for the kid, even the program is ok, but the cost is high and not every family can afford.

I strongly recommend parents to take some programs related to gifted education in PolyU, Chinese U and Baptist U if their kids were assessed to be gifted. I talked to the ex-Chairman of HK Gifted Kids' Parents association in one occasion, he told me that the first feeling is excited and then he didn't know how to help the kid. He equipped himself by studying gifted education program to help his kid.

作者: Ipapa 時間: 07-8-7 09:31

原文章由 ANChan59 於 07-8-6 02:06 發表
Partially agreed. I declared my son did IQ test 4.5 years ago and scored 137. Sometimes, IQ test with the observations of the psychologist may help su to identify some learning problems of our ki ...

可惜好多父母都只係諗住用到IQ test mark填落去個名校申請表上

作者: myron_mom 時間: 07-8-12 04:08

原文章由 natalielin 於 07-8-5 02:57 AM 發表

同意你地~
其實d媽咪check黎咪就係想話比人知,係呀,我個仔/女係資優生,好叻好聰明囉,好多時都唔係話想知佢係唔係,同唔係想幫個小朋友得到合適既教育方法~

而家有好多唔同既野check,又話學習/語言/讀寫障 ...

完全同意你的說法，況且比你check到佢係資優又點呀?自己冇辦法去搞(因為我屋企太窮困)，政府又唔會幫你，學校都唔會理你，真係唔知好過知~~~重有同其他講嚟做乜，佢哋都只不過係路人甲乙丙，幫唔到乜嘢忙!!!

作者: Hi-5 時間: 07-8-13 17:33

點解你地會覺得做 IQ test 等於會四圍講？

我認識的資優兒家長都很低調的。做 IQ test 不等於要比人知，包括孩子本人。
我無同相熟的人講，除父母外只有兩人知，其中一個是親人，另一個都是資優兒家長。孩子跟本不知道自己是資優，一直都如常的開心，沒有人 label 他，但我選擇學校和課外活動時會多了個參考。

作者: Hi-5 時間: 07-8-13 17:43

myron_mom，

我覺得縱使窮困，都不等於幫不到孩子的，正給今年最年幼狀元的媽媽，天天帶囡囡去圖書館增進知識，都不需要分文。

作者: mcc014 時間: 07-8-13 19:02

我覺得她很富有，因為她有一個有愛心的媽媽，也擁有全面的資優。資優而有讀寫障礙，很多。

[Amazingly, learning difficulties always linked with gifted and talented. ]

原文章由 Hi-5 於 07-8-13 17:43 發表
myron_mom，

我覺得縱使窮困，都不等於幫不到孩子的，正給今年最年幼狀元的媽媽，天天帶囡囡去圖書館增進知識，都不需要分文。

作者: newdad 時間: 07-8-13 22:42

[quote]原文章由 銘銘媽 於 07-8-2 16:34 發表

完全同意，我個仔四歲，所有都順其自然，普通幼稚園，依家暑假，佢鍾意畫畫再畫畫，平日放工返屋企同佢玩，去游水，去旅行。希望佢有個快樂嘅童年。我有啲朋友就要啲仔女去學英文，又去學算學，排到重多過返學，真係慘。

作者: jbma 時間: 07-8-14 02:49

原文章由 Hi-5 於 07-8-13 17:33 發表
點解你地會覺得做 IQ test 等於會四圍講？我認識的資優兒家長都很低調的。做 IQ test 不等於要比人知，包括孩子本人。
我無同相熟的人講，除父母外只有兩人知，其中一個是親人，另一個都是資優兒家長。孩子 ...

認同你的說法!

我的孩子在三年前被評為資優兒，但到現在他也不知什麼是"資優兒"，有天看新聞談到有關"資優"的topic時，他問及我:[是否即是"好叻的人叫"資優"]。我答他:[不是!是一些很努力的人用心地做好每一件事，出來的結果被人稱讚他們的terms。]

我明白版主和大家的看法，我應同如不是有管教的問題，幹什麼去做評估?其實很多時只是有些愚蠢的父母，認為資優是很"光宗耀祖"般四處跟人說，所以令大家有這感覺。但是我們帶這種孩子的苦況，不是很多人體會得到!

一則記趣:

早年到外旅遊，有一對母子常不按時回旅遊巴，數天後團友按不住開聲請他們守時回來，不要影響其他人。當時他那不可一世的母親回應居然是

:[我的孩子是資優，他看東西不到不願走，你們體諒一下!]真旳令人嘩然....事後我老公跟我說，若不是兒子在的話，他一定會跟她說:[我兒子也是資優，但他從來不遲到。這是家教，跟資優與否並無關係!]

我相信你們說的就是這種人la

[ 本文章最後由 jbma 於 07-8-14 02:58 編輯 ]

作者: tnt2ndhb 時間: 07-8-14 20:53

我相信學問可以跳級, 但
1."人生路"冇捷徑,
2. 學習必須learn the hard way,

即使九歲大學神童和十歲鋼琴神童, 都日日努力練習才有成果, 天資只是早早話俾大人聽: 我的專長是XXXX, 但可能其他方面只是普通, 或只係有興趣的地方好專心, 其它學問就如坐針氈.

我都見過有媽媽用資優來幫阿仔的"顽皮"(去到令人討厭的地步)做藉口, 我覺得個阿媽咁落去只會令小朋友:資優低能

作者: natalielin 時間: 07-8-16 02:01

原文章由 tnt2ndhb 於 07-8-14 20:53 發表
我相信學問可以跳級, 但
1."人生路"冇捷徑,
2. 學習必須learn the hard way,

即使九歲大學神童和十歲鋼琴神童, 都日日努力練習才有成果, 天資只是早早話俾大人聽: 我的專長是XXXX, 但可能其他方面只是普 ...

KAKA~
資優低能,好攪笑,不過又幾貼切~

作者: natalielin 時間: 07-8-16 02:04

原文章由 jbma 於 07-8-14 02:49 發表

認同你的說法!

我的孩子在三年前被評為資優兒，但到現在他也不知什麼是"資優兒"，有天看新聞談到有關"資優"的topic時，他問及我:[是否即是"好叻的人叫"資優"]。我答他:[不是!是一些很努力的人用心地做好 ...

咪就係哩d囉,成日同人講自己個小朋友係資優,其實係曳,我公司大把哩d家長~

真係好小人係可以處理得好~

作者: nanshanlu 時間: 07-8-17 15:19

我以前接觸過6-16歲的自閉兒童, 好多"資優", 有:

1. "人肉拍子機", 有佢打拍子, 就聽唔到拍子機聲, 同一timing
2. "活日曆", 只要係三年內的日子, 你講某年的某日期, 佢即答係星期幾. 你問星期幾, 佢計到幾多號
3. "人肉歌書", 聽一次唱得出, 只限廣東歌
4. "對白王", 最鍾意講對白, 看完個集講個集.

作者: mo777777 時間: 07-8-20 17:13

完全同意。

原文章由 銘銘媽 於 07-8-2 16:34 發表
唔好意思講句, 我個人覺得, 除非認為個小朋友有問題, 都唔須要做咩智力評估呀, 須然係好似知道個小朋友既智力去到邊, 咁可以幫到佢, 但係咁做, 會唔會 LABEL 咗個小朋友,
例如:
如果佢高分, 咁就緊係開 ...

作者: TomatoCat 時間: 07-8-20 17:35

Agree. 身教其實also much more important that checking out a kid is 資優 or not. 父母周圍同人講自己個小朋友係資優, 只會另小朋友以為自己一切better than others, and not willing to workhard.

原文章由 natalielin 於 07-8-16 02:04 發表

咪就係哩d囉,成日同人講自己個小朋友係資優,其實係曳,我公司大把哩d家長~

真係好小人係可以處理得好~

作者: Rainy 時間: 07-8-21 13:39

http://class.dgps.kh.edu.tw/yilun/images/6/01.htm

睇下呢度... 佢講到大家所懷疑或質疑既野

作者: 叮鈴 時間: 07-8-22 13:17

原文章由 Rainy 於 07-8-21 13:39 發表
http://class.dgps.kh.edu.tw/yilun/images/6/01.htm

睇下呢度... 佢講到大家所懷疑或質疑既野

部分..不太認同，個人覺得創造力比起智力，更難靠後天培養。(當然唔係完全唔得)
創造力反而更受先天性影響。高創造力的人，本身在性格和創作靈感上，就與一般人不同，比起一般人，輕而易舉便能有很好的作品，不用花費很大精力(有時可能只是一個由夢而來的靈感)，而且比較天然...
當然，本身創作力高，卻缺乏後天栽培及自由空間，也不能發揮。

作者: aknchan 時間: 07-8-31 17:42

IQ test is nothing but a tool.

Just like any tool that human use, like 'fire' or 'gun', there are no good nor bad. It all depends on how the tool is being use. Is it a robber using the gun to rob a bank OR the policeman using a gun to stop the robber.

Wheter to let your kid take the test is always a difficult question to answer.

It would be naive to think that no parents are using these test result for all the 'wrong' reasons. Yet I still feel that most parents do it with the intention to benefit their children.

Personally, I hesitate to let my kids take these IQ test. Not because I think I would lable them, but rather, I am afraid the test score (good or bad) would affect how I see them.

作者: waiwing 時間: 07-9-12 16:25

totally agree

....　好多家長完全盲目咁去比小朋友做評估！

原文章由 銘銘媽 於 07-8-2 16:34 硐表
唔好意思講句, 我個人覺得, 除非認為個小朋友有問題, 都唔須要做咩智力評估呀, 須然係好似知道個小朋友既智力去到邊, 咁可以幫到佢, 但係咁做, 會唔會 LABEL 咗個小朋友,
例如:
如果佢高分, 咁就緊係開心啦, ...

作者: 教育心理學 時間: 07-9-12 17:07

評估一個正常或資優的小朋友，真的幫助到他的教學嗎？

以我的經驗來說，有時我們替學生做過評估後，並向家長作匯報時，我通常都會問一個問題："個結果似唔似佢平時o既表現呀？"
家長通常會答："似呀似呀..."

我既結論係，最了解個小朋友的，永遠不是我們心理學家，而是每天接觸小朋友12~24小時的家長。
我們最了解的不是小朋友，反而是各位家長。
既然家長已經有了比我們更準確的答案，又何需找我們評估呢？
家長所需要知道的，往往並不是這些數字和結果，而是一個好的教學方法。而一個好的教學方法，其實對所有不同類型的小朋友都同樣有效。

所以，對某些心理學家提到每個小朋友都應做一似智能評估，實在感到汗顏....

要處理好一個小朋友的教育，與其"過度"了解小朋友的種種智能特性、學習特性，倒不如先了解自己的教育特性及個人性格。
以我的個人理解，小朋友的性格或是由父母處倒模過來，或是100% 相反。一個過份擔心的父母，其小朋友或是凡事擔心，或是事事尤柔寡斷。
你又希望自己的孩子變成怎樣？:)

作者: dyliswang 時間: 07-9-15 04:34 標題: 唔好意思講句, 不過真係真心話

My 10 years old boy just got marks 130 in Toni-2 Test of Non Verbal Intelligence for IQ, while QM Hospital identify him as lack of concentration at 2005, requested him to take pills?? we tried & decided to stop. I'm confused as he's v. very smart from childhood but having behavior problem, always got complaim from school & just reach pass mark in school result. Should I go for a Wechsler test 1st than find the solution?
Looking forward for your advise!
Many Thanks
[email protected]

作者: 教育心理學 時間: 07-9-15 08:45

You must first indentify what the your main concern is?
His behaviour? or his IQ?.... I guess it should be his behaviour, right?
If it's behaviour, you have to think what factor contributes most to this behaviour.
In this case, a biological probelm causing a lack of attention should be the main factor, and being smart or even gifted should be the second factor which magnifies the main factor.
So, I recommend you not to stop taking pills, as it's the key solution for the 1st factor. Some behavioural modification plan (e.g. reward plan) may also help through cooperating with your boy and the teachers.
For the 2nd factor, it depends on whether the teachers take the result of Toni-2, coz' Toni-2 is not a formal comprehensive IQ test. (If it's done by an "EP", you should question his/her qualification). But at least Toni-2 has confirmed that you boy is smart. I must say a HK-WISC is useful, but also not necessary in this case. As I think you can observe which subjects your boy is good at and get bored easily through your observation. HK-WISC can only tell what the boy "should" good at, but it's still not guranteed. You surely can do better than the HK-WISC. Of coz', if you have money, a HK-WISC can still give you some useful information.

原文章由 dyliswang 於 07-9-15 04:34 硐表
My 10 years old boy just got marks 130 in Toni-2 Test of Non Verbal Intelligence for IQ, while QM Hospital identify him as lack of concentration at 2005, requested him to take pills?? we tried & decid ...

[ 本文章最後由教育心理學於 07-9-15 08:49 編輯 ]

作者: dyliswang 時間: 07-9-20 02:24 標題: 唔好意思講句, 不過真係真心話

Your guess is correct, my major concern is his behavior as it's affecting his acadamic result a lot. Many Thanks for your advise.

作者: MARSTEN 時間: 07-9-21 20:30

好叻當然好啦,唔使教,但係好多真係教都唔識,要花好多時間先可以學一樣你認為好簡單的事(他們的智商正常的),他們真的需要早期訓練,那當然要TEST過先知他們有需要啦,如感覺統合...

原文章由 natalielin 於 07-8-5 02:57 硐表

同意你地~
其實d媽咪check黎咪就係想話比人知,係呀,我個仔/女係資優生,好叻好聰明囉,好多時都唔係話想知佢係唔係,同唔係想幫個小朋友得到合適既教育方法~

而家有好多唔同既野check,又話學習/語言/讀寫障礙....... ...

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作者: 教育心理學 時間: 07-9-21 22:35

原文章由 MARSTEN 於 07-9-21 20:30 硐表
好叻當然好啦,唔使教,但係好多真係教都唔識,要花好多時間先可以學一樣你認為好簡單的事(他們的智商正常的),他們真的需要早期訓練,那當然要TEST過先知他們有需要啦,如感覺統合...

...

有問題當然係要去check 下啦
心理學家其中一條專業守則就係唔好過度為受助人測試，咩叫"過度"？就即係冇需要就唔好測
所以，做評估永遠係由一個問題出發，先作假設，而以評估去引證
如果你見個細路仔好似慢過人..... 值得做，因為可以及早幫助到佢
如果你見個細路仔好似快過人..... 要諗諗個問題o係邊到
佢快過人有冇做成困難？
有... 做；冇...唔做
例如：
發現佢叻得太緊要，D 野未上堂就識，變o左上堂冇心機搞搞震... 做!
但係如果佢叻得o黎D 成績都唔係好得，就即係有其他因素影響緊佢啦....除非你懷疑佢係咪真係咁叻啦，否則個IQ 分緊要D？定搵出個因素緊要D？

作者: pomama 時間: 07-12-8 00:09

完全認同！

資唔資優，都要盡心盡力教導啦！

原文章由 TomatoCat 於 07-8-20 17:35 發表
Agree. 身教其實also much more important that checking out a kid is 資優 or not. 父母周圍同人講自己個小朋友係資優, 只會另小朋友以為自己一切better than others, and not willing to workhard.

...

作者: CKAU06 時間: 08-3-30 01:12

我自己就唔會同小朋友做呢d test,
但有d媽咪鍾意lor,我亦都唔反對!

因為自己都係覺得資唔資優，
我都要盡心盡力教佢！
最緊要佢開開心心咁成長,
至於有乜野專長.....
就等我自己同小朋友一齊發掘囉!

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作者: bowie0314 時間: 08-4-20 09:56

少少意見分享!

我自己覺得資吾資優嘅仔女(沒什麼大不了),都係自己生.關係跟自己是沒法改變.

但另一方面在現今所有事情和事物都會作評估來標籤一個人.e.g.<bb一出世醫院會做--0-1.5歲階段健康院會做--3歲入學面試會做--小學面試會做>短短6年起碼要做10次以上嘅.你可以吾做呢d測試.但你無法阻止別人評估你的兒女.

作者: bitzhee 時間: 08-5-8 02:30

原文章由 bowie0314 於 2008/05/07 09:56 AM 發表
少少意見分享!我自己覺得資吾資優嘅仔女(沒什麼大不了),都係自己生.關係跟自己是沒法改變. 但另一方面在現今所有事情和事物都會作評估來標籤一個人.e.g.短短6年起碼要做10次以上嘅.你可以吾做呢d測試.但你 ...

I agreed with you.

But I supposed, most of the mothers here are the same as me. Would like to take maximum information to give our children the best support according to their talent!
Not really mean would like to push or press our kids to be a "dragon" or peking duck style education.

作者: 紫盈媽媽 時間: 08-5-18 19:37

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作者: 060905 時間: 08-5-20 01:04

當然叻唔叻,靚唔靚, 一樣咁鍚仔女, 但如果知道自己個BB係資優兒, 要加倍好好培養, 不要浪費。

作者: Skeleton 時間: 08-5-21 16:59 標題: I agree

I totally agree with what you said. As a parent, I am always proud of my son no matter what he does. Of course, I am sometimes tempted to give him some sort of IQ test to "confirm" that he is talented. But I at the same time don't want to be disappointed in case I find out that he is only ordinary.

Pressure is definitely an issue. My wish to my son is to let him have a happy childhood and develop to his full potential. Being labelled as a "gifted child" is not a good thing because this label may take his childhood away, pushing him into the adult world earlier.

作者: 701003 時間: 08-7-1 21:43

原文章由 銘銘媽 於 07-8-2 16:34 發表
唔好意思講句, 我個人覺得, 除非認為個小朋友有問題, 都唔須要做咩智力評估呀, 須然係好似知道個小朋友既智力去到邊, 咁可以幫到佢, 但係咁做, 會唔會 LABEL 咗個小朋友,
例如:
如果佢高分, 咁就緊係開心啦, ...

同意到極呀

當初我仔就係懷疑"自閉"、"言語障礙"才迫住見心理醫生ga

點知佢疑似"潛在資優"，本來升咗小一要再見心理醫生進一步評估，但我無帶佢去la，因為我唔想佢知道自己資優而同其他人有別，我只想佢開心成長，融入社會！到佢五年班突然考第一，班主任話佢情緒比較敏感，要見家長了解下，果時我先至講亞仔係潛在資優，目前只得班主任、校長同我兩公婆知，連我99都唔知，廢事佢四周圍同人晒命

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作者: 701003 時間: 08-7-1 21:55

原文章由 教育心理學 於 07-9-12 17:07 發表
評估一個正常或資優的小朋友，真的幫助到他的教學嗎？

以我的經驗來說，有時我們替學生做過評估後，並向家長作匯報時，我通常都會問一個問題："個結果似唔似佢平時o既表現呀？"
家長通常會答："似呀似呀..."

我既結論係，最了解個小 ...

你講ge嘢好似同我仔做評估果位Dr呀

but我同意

作者: nataliekyn 時間: 08-7-9 12:49

小朋友係咪資優兒童，佢點都自己既仔女，自己一樣都會鍚

我只祈求佢健康成長
將來成唔成材都係睇佢自己
即使我自小為佢安排好一切
但佢無心去做既
結果都係白費

倒不如順其自然
*皆因我就係一個好例子

作者: smartcar 時間: 08-8-23 15:11

如果孩子沒有學習/情緒問題,其實無需要做IQ/EQ評估;家長其實帶孩子做一些驗眼、聽覺、手眼協調測驗;又或見物理治療師做些坐姿行姿檢查,會來更得實際,更能幫助孩子的發展。

作者: bensonleehk 時間: 08-9-2 18:22

Just want to be know more from the test as 知己知比, 百戰百勝

作者: sze1977 時間: 08-10-14 15:06

我都唔想知我個女係唔係資優, 我寧願佢做普通人一個, 講真資優生都未必好架, 有d會比較孤獨, 有d會比較自大. 資唔資優係天生, 但係後天努力絕對係好重要.
如果有得比我去check EQ 而唔係IQ, 我寧願佢Check EQ好過, EQ好唔好仲緊要, 因為佢地踏出社會既都要係10幾年後既事, 到時可能通街都係資優, 咁可以代表咩? (即係10幾年前D阿媽想我地讀大學, 到而家10幾年後既呢代, 咪又係通街都係大學生), 但係EQ 就未必個個控制得好, 反而教佢EQ會唔會係對佢有長遠既幫助呢?

作者: IaMMoYY 時間: 08-11-25 03:38

Yes, just let kids be kids and have a happy and memorable childhood.

作者: emmakuang 時間: 08-12-6 20:49

同意你地~

作者: bedema 時間: 09-1-15 14:58

i just don't understand why parents want to give IQ test to their children. If you found out that they are not born with a super power brain, what are you going to do? Kill them or not let them goto school. I remembered when I was in school (ok, that's at least 30 years ago), we did not have IQ test besides the one during P6. All my teachers said I am a talent kid, but I was so lazy that I almost missed going to my secondary school, although my avg scores were 86.x. IMHO, IQ is only part of the ingredients, hard work and know how to be a useful human being out-weighted everything else.

作者: UncleWill 時間: 09-1-19 16:28

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作者: jojoplanet 時間: 09-1-20 12:45

原帖由 bedema 於 09-1-15 14:58 發表
i just don't understand why parents want to give IQ test to their children. If you found out that they are not born with a super power brain, what are you going to do? Kill them or not let them goto ...

I think some parent just want to know their child's strength & weakness and then providing adequate training to improve the weakness so as to make good use of the their resources (finance) on their child.

作者: LS+MCS 時間: 09-1-22 21:44

I think there's no harm to go for the test but just don't insert any pressure after getting the result.

作者: venuscc 時間: 09-1-29 23:49

我老公讀書唔聰明，學歷不及我，但系佢EQ勁高，最近比佢做左啲IQ TESE，發現佢速度快過我（自問都唔算慢，平均2分一題），仲準確過我添，所以我林佢IQ應唔差，唔知點解唔中意讀書。又有可能系一個人嘅智商會隨著環境和時間而變化的，我而家日日做“湊仔專業戶”IQ自然慢左幾拍，佢日日狂打爆機，反應唔快就奇啦！
所以TEST唔系唔好，不過唔好因為一時半刻嘅表現就肯一個人嘅能力，好多野系可以改變的，尤其系幾歲大嘅小朋友，發展空間幾乎不可想像！

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作者: 3214 時間: 09-4-3 00:55

我真係好服果啲幫人check資優公司,有班咁嘅客仔,真係長做長有,一個三千,十個三萬,一千個三百萬,呢盤生意有得做.

作者: littlecowbb 時間: 09-4-23 22:07

yes ar......and parents hv interest to know the IQ of their child ma

作者: manicheung 時間: 09-5-9 14:13

非常同意

原帖由 sze1977 於 08-10-14 15:06 發表
我都唔想知我個女係唔係資優, 我寧願佢做普通人一個, 講真資優生都未必好架, 有d會比較孤獨, 有d會比較自大. 資唔資優係天生, 但係後天努力絕對係好重要.
如果有得比我去check EQ 而唔係IQ, 我寧願佢Check EQ好過, E ...

作者: 伊露 時間: 09-5-10 11:47

十分同意

作者: Gremlin 時間: 09-5-27 11:09

Yes.. agree with your comment. As parent today, just to find out a better, suitable and comfort way for our kids, let them be able to enjoy their cheerful growing life. Being parent, not just label and push ...

原帖由 ANChan59 於 07-8-6 02:06 發表
Partially agreed. I declared my son did IQ test 4.5 years ago and scored 137. Sometimes, IQ test with the observations of the psychologist may help su to identify some learning problems of our kids be ...

作者: habibiheian 時間: 09-10-1 02:14

大家都講得好有道理, 不過最深刻都係「資優低能」個point

有時d家長太緊張, 其實係會影響小朋友架

其實資唔資優, 唔係最重要, 一個人最緊要係心地好唔好同埋快唔快樂, 固然如果成績好又聰明當然好, 但最緊要都係我希望我個小朋友心中富有, 快快樂樂行佢自己既路, 我就心滿意足了!

作者: twinkychoy 時間: 09-10-2 13:16

iq test..有需要未做,無需要未唔好做囉...
放且....資優既小朋友,又唔代表佢一定會出人頭地....樣樣成功。

小朋友成長學習最需要既係一個了解佢能力同興趣既家長,而唔係認定佢既專家...專家既出現是幫助家長了解自己既小朋友。

不過...會唔會去標簽左你既小朋友,最重要係家長自己本身點看待呢一件事,或者呢一個分數...如果本身家長都係著重想小朋友有一個岩佢既學習方針..或者接受自己小朋友係一個平凡既小朋友...個分數高低都唔會影響家長心態既....
有好多野..後天可以培養...只是付出多一點心機,心思,耐性....

作者: mianyang_99 時間: 09-10-2 16:57

原帖由 jojoplanet 於 09-1-20 12:45 發表

I think some parent just want to know their child's strength & weakness and then providing adequate training to improve the weakness so as to make good use of the their resources (finance) on their ...

Yes, i took my son to do the fingerprint test, ( not IQ test) just with such intention as to know his strength and weakness. Also his personality so as to find the best way to parent him.

作者: MARSTEN 時間: 09-10-16 20:58

係呀,我個仔都係自閉,但係佢砌圖好叻,記性好好
係一大份砌圖事但拎一塊佢都可以即刻擺番果個位,塊塊都得,唔係撞彩,我地都唔得啦~不過佢就某d野好弱
另外佢係人肉卡拉ok,音樂好叻,
不過佢唔係資優

原帖由 nanshanlu 於 07-8-17 15:19 發表
我以前接觸過6-16歲的自閉兒童, 好多"資優", 有:

1. "人肉拍子機", 有佢打拍子, 就聽唔到拍子機聲, 同一timing
2. "活日曆", 只要係三年內的日子, 你講某年的某日期, 佢即答係星期幾. 你問星期幾, 佢計到幾多號
3. ...

作者: BabyISC 時間: 09-10-22 17:03

you know what being smart is not good. Smart people alway think the ultimate outcome of every facts. But how many outcomes are good ? they always lack of motivation,passion and energy since they already prepared for the worst.
besides, smart people are always alone, he/she can solve the problems by themself and need not to share their emotion and difficulties to the other people, no need to talk --> no friends.

作者: abinayams 時間: 09-10-23 11:05

資優不一定讀書成績好, 有八大範疇, 如語文, 藝術等, 如你的小朋友沒有經正式訓練便能在唱歌的節拍, 音準方面拿捏得很好, 他可能在這個範疇也是資優的.另外, 資優的小朋友不一定最top, 中上的也有可能是資優,但他在那方面的學習動機一定要是最強, 則很有興趣, 而且會專注地學習. 不過在交際溝通會較差, 因他的思維已較常人快了幾個step, 常人不易理解他的想法, 久而久之他或許會放棄表達自己, 因反正說了別人也不明, 不過在合群的人類社會, eq比iq更重要, 所以家長要關注他的人際相處情況, 多作鼓勵和指點, 其實想知道小朋友是否資優, 只是想從而拔尖, 使其天份才華得以發揮,跟其他有特殊需要的小朋友一樣, 家長不能選擇,只有接受和幫助, 這是我參加工作坊後的得著, 希望對大家有幫助

作者: suntra 時間: 09-10-29 10:45

原帖由 abinayams 於 09-10-23 11:05 發表
資優不一定讀書成績好, 有八大範疇, 如語文, 藝術等, 如你的小朋友沒有經正式訓練便能在唱歌的節拍, 音準方面拿捏得很好, 他可能在這個範疇也是資優的.另外, 資優的小朋友不一定最top, 中上的也有可能是資優,但他在 ...

跟其他有特殊需要的小朋友一樣, 家長不能選擇,只有接受和幫助==>好同意依點.

資優既小朋友都係有佢地"特殊"既地方, 一般人都誤解資優=成績優. 其實唔係. 佢地係學習方法/思考/社交能力方面唔同.

如果普遍人都接受特殊需要的小朋友需要評估, 進而幫忙佢地. 咁同樣都應該接受"資優"既小朋友都需要評估, 都需要幫助, 有好多資優既小朋友因為"適應"唔到現行既學校"制度", 以至潛能未展.

當然要承認既係, 依家社會上"智力測試"已變左質, 成為一種"工具".

作者: tracytang 時間: 09-11-11 17:12

AGREE

原帖由 nataliekyn 於 08-7-9 12:49 發表
小朋友係咪資優兒童，佢點都自己既仔女，自己一樣都會鍚

我只祈求佢健康成長
將來成唔成材都係睇佢自己
即使我自小為佢安排好一切
但佢無心去做既
結果都係白費

倒不如順其自然
*皆因我就係一個好例子 ...

作者: suet78 時間: 10-2-23 18:13

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作者: 游泳寶寶 時間: 10-3-19 13:33

我諗你諗得太多了, 做test 唔一定係想show俾人睇自己小朋友有幾高IQ. 好多家長因為擔心仔囡發展(三歲都未識講野, 皮氣差, 唔集中, 曳....等等)先去做一D評估. 況且我個人覺得, 讀普通學校, 唔俾壓力讀書都唔一定有個快樂既童年. 好似我地爸爸媽媽年代 (無枉管年代), 佢地都想讀書, 都想屋企可以緊張D自己, 係咪?

所以, 我覺得, 小朋友都係冇個樣要個樣, 永遠滿足唔到佢地既需要. 讀緊書既想做野, 做緊野既想讀書.

作者: ppsfung 時間: 10-6-4 16:18

唔係個個家長叫小朋友做評估=想自己個小朋友係資優/覺得自已小朋友有問題.至少我從來無咁諗.

我個人來講當然覺得自己個小朋友好完美,但其實我唔係見過好多小朋友,我唔肯定我個小朋友同其他小朋友比較有咩強弱項...不過我認為個個人都一定有較強和較弱的方面.評估可以比我地了解然後加以栽培或補助.

我就算帶完小朋友去評估,都無打算比其他人和小朋友本身知道結果.我知道佢長處後會儘量比機會佢發揮,知佢短處只後會幫佢地和體諒佢地.

原帖由 游泳寶寶 於 10-3-19 13:33 發表
我諗你諗得太多了, 做test 唔一定係想show俾人睇自己小朋友有幾高IQ. 好多家長因為擔心仔囡發展(三歲都未識講野, 皮氣差, 唔集中, 曳....等等)先去做一D評估. 況且我個人覺得, 讀普通學校, 唔俾壓力讀書都唔一定有 ...

作者: 麥兜媽 時間: 10-7-5 20:18

原帖由 nanshanlu 於 07-8-17 15:19 發表
我以前接觸過6-16歲的自閉兒童, 好多"資優", 有:

1. "人肉拍子機", 有佢打拍子, 就聽唔到拍子機聲, 同一timing
2. "活日曆", 只要係三年內的日子, 你講某年的某日期, 佢即答係星期幾. 你問星期幾, 佢計到幾多號
3. ...

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作者: CLmummy 時間: 10-7-21 21:31

原帖由 銘銘媽 於 2-8-2007 16:34 發表
唔好意思講句, 我個人覺得, 除非認為個小朋友有問題, 都唔須要做咩智力評估呀, 須然係好似知道個小朋友既智力去到邊, 咁可以幫到佢, 但係咁做, 會唔會 LABEL 咗個小朋友,
例如:
如果佢高分, 咁就緊係開心啦, ...

don't worry too much! no one wants to "stress" the kids! just for interest, you will never
know what your kid is without the assessment!
it's just the way to understand more and provide appropriate method to teach!
don't always think PARENT wants the high mark, 所謂知己知彼,百战百勝!

作者: CLmummy 時間: 10-7-22 12:35

原帖由 ppsfung 於 4-6-2010 16:18 發表
唔係個個家長叫小朋友做評估=想自己個小朋友係資優/覺得自已小朋友有問題.至少我從來無咁諗.

我個人來講當然覺得自己個小朋友好完美,但其實我唔係見過好多小朋友,我唔肯定我個小朋友同其他小朋友比較有咩強弱項... ...

totally agree

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