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作者: angry_mom 時間: 07-7-7 01:14 標題: HKUGA講一套做一套，實在令人失望
港大同學會小學開辦五年以來，很多政策和目標，都未能兌現，實在使人失望。:cry:
還記得當日前校長在小一入學簡介會理說過，所有小學畢業生都能直升中學，結果去年第一屆畢業生中，有20-30%不能直升，原因是學術水平未達標準，中學校長拒絕全部接收。之後便收到前校長辭職的消息，不知她的離開與此事有沒有關係。
今年又輪到副校長要走，與此同時學校又宣佈港大同學會書院放棄採用IB課程。當日很多家長選擇此校，都是想自己的子女日後選讀IB，認同IB的教學模式。現在要轉回一間讀本地課程的學校，要考本地的高中試。如果家長要讀一間普通的LOCAL SCHOOL，大可參加大抽獎，入讀官津小學，用不著每月交學費。
還有，每年例牌很多老師走，今年也不例外，連副校長都要走了。有些老師教一、兩年便走，有些甚至在學期中都會走。這裏老師可能太辛苦了，薪酬可能比官津校少，很多課程都要自己編，不是照教科書教，備課也花費不少時間。老師還要處理一些問題學生，有些學生情緒有問題，有些學生小組討論時爭執，有些經常不守秩序，老師要花費很多時間去處理課堂秩序。這類學校標榜活動教學，强調愉快學習，對學生的包容比傳统學校高，故這類學校的問題學生頗多，因為一些家長知到自己的子女不能讀傳统學校，都會選這類學校。試問一個普通的小學教師，有些頗為年輕及經驗淺，如何能應付，如何能再教下去。
現在正副校長都相繼離去，他們講過的說話不能兌現，實在令人非常失望。最慘是現在想轉校都不容易，好的學校不收，因為學術水平比傳统學校差，差的學校又不想去讀，想轉國際學校又負擔不起學費。總之，現在騎虎難下，兩頭不到岸，不知怎辦。
作者: LeeHoMa 時間: 07-7-7 07:30
Understand your feeling! Try to find other school if you your really think HKUGA not fit for your kids. The situation should not be that worst, there is still plenty of opportunity outside!
作者: dleelm 時間: 07-7-7 10:54
唔好咁嬲啦, 大部份直資學校的老師流失率係較高架. 我最近聽了一些小一簡介會, 當中有校長談IB發展, 佢話教統局最近出左指引, 直資學校課程唔可以脫離本地框架, 這點, 我相信其他想開辨IB的學校同樣面對這個困難.
大家都理解要轉學校真不容易, 高不成低不就, 不如同小朋友了解下佢的意見才再作決定.
作者: cincin 時間: 07-7-7 11:17
Hi angry_mom, 請別太嬲, 我都明白你現在的苦況(我也有一個小朋友上小一,剛煩完選校/叩門等各樣問題...), 我同意其他媽咪的說法, 當你問完你個小朋友的preference, 你再決定去留問題, 再遲d可能會更加無位, 最不好就是老師流失率高, 攪到d小朋友無所適從, 唉...
Pls also take care of yourself, too. You have to maintain good body to support your kids... cincin
原文章由 dleelm 於 07-7-7 10:54 發表 
唔好咁嬲啦, 大部份直資學校的老師流失率係較高架. 我最近聽了一些小一簡介會, 當中有校長談IB發展, 佢話教統局最近出左指引, 直資學校課程唔可以脫離本地框架, 這點, 我相信其他想開辨IB的學校同樣面對這個困 ...
作者: HayBMum 時間: 07-7-7 21:47
今天到HKUGA聽簡介會，知道學校無意行IBD，覺得好失望，雖然校長，校監等力撐話課程其實參考IB，但如是者更加搞到小朋友兩頭唔到岸。
作者: csy_ma 時間: 07-7-7 23:34
原文章由 angry_mom 於 07-7-7 01:14 發表
港大同學會小學開辦五年以來，很多政策和目標，都未能兌現，實在使人失望。:cry:
還記得當日前校長在小一入學簡介會理說過，所有小學畢業生都能直升中學，結果去年第一屆畢業生中，有20-30%不能直升，原 ...
我有朋友響間學校度做，佢都有提過校長好想老師搞番掂第一屆d小朋友，但據聞因為質素參差（第一年冇得揀），真係好難教
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朋友此前好耐冇搵我，打電話黎，係想問轉行行情：佢做左成10年，但係響呢間學校，每晚都要過9點至走得，星期六日都要返學校做野．佢話好多同事都係咁，假期會自動自覺番校開OT（薪酬好似未必比官津少，只係真太太辛苦，連屋企都顧唔到:( ）
後來佢冇轉到，仲升左職，但係夾係中間，佢話仲辛苦
結果都惟有走路
行條另類既路從來不易，我相信港大同學會既管理層係有理念既，無奈本港家長太依賴學校同填鴨教育，未必俾到小朋友誘導既空間，等佢地自發去探索同學習．．．
前線老師流動性咁高，其實係幾唔正常既．作為家長，考慮放棄其實係幾兩難的選擇．但係轉校係幾影響小朋友情緒、甚至自信既決定，宜慎重考慮．不妨同小朋友商量吓，了解佢地既感受．要知道，有D小朋友要用頗長時間適應新環境，而新環境又難保不會遇上因陌生而受杯葛的問題，一定要俾足小朋友心理準備
印象中，HKUGA果d家長質素普遍都唔差，你地可唔可以透過PTA了解吓學校發生緊咩事，再考慮吓值唔值得相信？
你小朋友幾年級？我果位老師朋友，以前分別係傳統同國際學校教過，佢話行類似國際學校學制既，係P1-P2都唔太注重默同寫，而以啟發思維為主，所P1-P2既學生同傳統同時注重聽讀講寫既學生比，似乎會較遜色．
去到P3，非傳統學校學生提出既問題，開始已見創意和深度，但寫文方面，因識字量既問題，仲係爭d．
到左P5-P6，當識字量有番咁上下時，非傳統學校教出黎既學生，因為思維活躍，諗野因經常有刺激而全面，優勢先顯露出黎．
假如小朋友係低年級，返番去傳統學校會幾辛苦
但係思維既野，有時又幾無形，唔易俾家長留意出個效果，所以都係要睇各人既情況
希望您作出雙贏既決定
作者: mamimummy 時間: 07-7-8 00:49
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作者: 心心 時間: 07-7-8 01:15
mamimummy
見你列出有IB學院大多數是國際學校
蔡繼友, 男拔, 優才不是都有IB課程的嗎???
作者: mamimummy 時間: 07-7-8 01:28
原文章由 心心 於 07-7-8 01:15 發表
mamimummy
見你列出有IB學院大多數是國際學校
蔡繼友, 男拔, 優才不是都有IB課程的嗎???
請你到這看一看, 我唔sure, 但奇怪, thanks.
[ 本文章最後由 mamimummy 於 07-7-8 02:09 編輯 ]
作者: mamimummy 時間: 07-7-8 01:33
原文章由 心心 於 07-7-8 01:15 發表
http://discuz.baby-kingdom.com/images/bk/ip.gif mamimummy
見你列出有IB學院大多數是國際學校
蔡繼友, 男拔, 優才不是都有IB課程的嗎???
請問'感嘆號'點解多左個? 我唔知有無錯, sorry, 只是給你們參考
作者: mamimummy 時間: 07-7-8 01:35
原文章由 心心 於 07-7-8 01:15 發表
http://discuz.baby-kingdom.com/images/bk/ip.gif mamimummy
見你列出有IB學院大多數是國際學校
蔡繼友, 男拔, 優才不是都有IB課程的嗎???
我需要delete他嗎?
作者: ckwliu 時間: 07-7-8 02:07
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作者: mamimummy 時間: 07-7-8 02:17
原文章由 ckwliu 於 07-7-8 02:07 發表
蔡繼友, 男拔, 優才(??? I doubted), co-ed, LOGOs are also going for IB diploma (for Yr 11 and 12) but they will not apply till later when they have Yr10 students coz the application and maintance ...
到那時才申請和運作?!可行嗎?! 花這 多年只為2yrs(yr11 &12)?thanks
作者: csy_ma 時間: 07-7-8 04:22
原文章由 mamimummy 於 07-7-8 00:49 發表
點解妳要多謝我？難道妳就係post此題目既憤怒媽咪？
但點解妳要刪左條咁有用既link？唔通妳post呢個題目既目的，其實係想post條link出黎，俾d家長考慮轉校先？點知遇到我咁既過分認真既茂里，懶好心咁回應，諗落剩鋪條link唔多合情理，所以改成咁？
我為自己徙左咁多氣力而
不過新開既學校咁快換校長，都真係幾令人閉翳．呢個故事係教訓我地，雖然香港傳統既教育制度令人嘆息，不過要去新校俾d仔女去做白老鼠，都要睇吓小朋友係唔係有好強既轉校適應力先
係呢點上，就算我幾懷疑妳既家長身份，但都同妳有d同感
作者: mattsmum 時間: 07-7-8 13:27
[有20-30%不能直升，原因是學術水平未達標準，中學校長拒絕全部接收
- HKUGA is not "one dragon school", it has to follow the rules sent by EMB. no matter how good the school is, there is always band 3 students. band three group is the last group to choose secondary school, of course they can't ocme back.
"同時學校又宣佈港大同學會書院放棄採用IB課程。"
EMB had requested DSS school to promise that the school will use the government exam system. so DSS school using IB can only got part of the course as IB.
[ 本文章最後由 mattsmum 於 07-7-8 13:31 編輯 ]
作者: mamimummy 時間: 07-7-8 15:42
點解妳要多謝我？---hei~ 我以為那是sorry公仔. 我以為post條link後, made 左trouble, so say sorry to 心心.----難道妳就係post此題目既憤怒媽咪？---唔明---
但點解妳要刪左條咁有用既link？--- 我以為自己發錯資料---唔通妳post呢個題目既目的，其實係想post條link出黎，俾d家長考慮轉校先？---no, just for reference, 是時候去考慮 to-be-IB 的前真意義.---
點知遇到我咁既過分認真既茂里，懶好心咁回應，諗落剩鋪條link唔多合情理，所以改成咁？---你好正確ar---
我為自己徙左咁多氣力而 ---我明, 打中文好辛苦---
不過新開既學校咁快換校長，都真係幾令人閉翳．呢個故事係教訓我地，雖然香港傳統既教育制度令人嘆息，不過要去新校俾d仔女去做白老鼠，都要睇吓小朋友係唔係有好強既轉校適應力先
係呢點上，就算我幾懷疑妳既家長身份，---懷疑甚麼----但都同妳有d同感---教育多'名'化?!
[ 本文章最後由 mamimummy 於 07-7-8 15:48 編輯 ]
作者: catcatmom 時間: 07-7-8 22:44
IB差不多=鬼仔妹考會考,要係外國請合資格老師番來教,就算DSS有政府支助,都要加到8k-10k/M以上,HKUGA既學費小學係1x千,中學都係2x千,仲有唔係家長肯比到一萬學費,學校就可以辦,仲有d學生英文水準要很高,所以st paul co ed辦到都唔出奇．
ｅ＋辦IB，只有國際學校上曬名，DSS一間都未有．
沙田兩間DSS，都宣佈了不辦，大圍果間說：我們不是貴族學校，所以不會辦IB，沙田果間話：我地要善用資源不辦了，考香港公開考試一樣入到外國名大學．
朋友既囝囝讀一間有幼小中一條dragon幼稚園，讀左一半
走了，原以為她因這學校行政混亂而不讀，最近見番她，亞仔入了男拔，我問她，她這樣說，學校很想學國際學校既創意＆靈活，但佢又做不到，傳統智識又傳授唔到，怕到最後兩頭唔到岸．睇到甘立刻走人．
HKUGA既家長話佢地考TSA既成績高於全港水平，唔通又吹水．
[ 本文章最後由 catcatmom 於 07-7-8 22:54 編輯 ]
作者: angry_mom 時間: 07-7-8 22:52
多謝csy_ma的詳細分析，你的氣力是沒有白費的。我和幾個家長都討論過此事，我們有問過自己的小朋友，家長都說，他們的小朋友個個都話要繼續讀HKUGA，因為他們的學校生活實在太愉快了，有誰願意轉去壓力較大的傳统學校。
明天學校就此事召開家長會，我都會聽完校長的解說再算。但今年選了此校的新生家長，就一定要三思了。
作者: Dr.Cool 時間: 07-7-8 22:53
原文章由 mattsmum 於 07-7-8 13:27 發表
- HKUGA is not "one dragon school", it has to follow the rules sent by EMB.
HKUGA唔係一條龍學校嗎?
4. Outstanding ‘Through Train’ Model
HKUGA College and HKUGA Primary School operate under the ‘through train’ school model in the Direct Subsidy Scheme. The school management committees of the two sections work side by side strategically as one, with shared vision and mission. Teachers in the ‘through train’ school monitor each student’s progress through the student profile and portfolio, enabling individual differences to be dealt with promptly. The portfolio is also a feedback for the parents who are involved in their children’s education.
(from HKUGA College web)
作者: mattsmum 時間: 07-7-9 14:25
「一條龍」學校名單 2006/07
http://www.edb.gov.hk/index.aspx?langno=2&nodeid=631
作者: christf 時間: 07-7-9 15:05
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作者: mattsmum 時間: 07-7-9 23:25
印象中可以直升的直資學校衹有DBS,DGS, SP co-ed, st. Paul conv.
是否因為:
-中學要收至少80%組別一的學生,否則不能成為英中?
-中學想收天下之英才而教之?
—中學認為自已小學挑選/教育的學生學術水平過不得骨?
其實這個派位方法為何沒人去平机會要求調查是否公平?
為何是第一組先挑選學校,然後才是第二組?
為何是3組不是5組10組?
為何師兄姐前几年的成績決定學校各組別的百份比?為何不是自已考?
為何是平均分三組然后才數一數每間學校在每一組的百分比?
挑選直資的家長應明白升中派位是怎樣進行的。
作者: Dr.Cool 時間: 07-7-9 23:58
HKUGA 係一條龍學校，所有一條龍學校都可以讓小六學生直升，並不是DBS,DGS, SP co-ed等才有的專利。
作者: angry_mom 時間: 07-7-10 00:00
今晚返HKUGA聽家長會，學校邀請了校監、中學校長和辦學團體代表講解為甚麼要放棄採用IB課程。原來今年三月時教统局發信通知所有直資學校，嚴格執行一定要以本地課程為主流，可以同時開辦其他課程，但就一定要有本地課程。所以全港DSS只有兩個選擇，一是只辦本地課程，即最新通過的新高中課程。二是採雙軌並行，同時開辦新高中課程及IB Diploma Programme，將學生今為兩批，請兩批老師教兩種課程。學校成立了小組去研究，得出來的報告覺得雙軌並不可行，需要大量人力和財力。以HKUGA現在收的學費水平實在難以實行，所以作出了艱難的決擇，決定現階段只能辦本地課程。還有學校不想將學生分化，做成標纖，覺得讀IB的學生才是精英學生，破壞校園的和楷氣氛。
辦學團體代表向家長表明，他們已經極力向教育局爭取只開辦IB課程，但無奈因政策的規限，只可跟隨，除非學校轉為全私立學校。到時家長便要付出高昂的學費，這亦非辦學團體的辦學宗旨。但他們說會繼續向教育局反影及爭取。
歸跟究底又是教育局的政策一時一樣，最初說給予DSS較自由的空間，現在又收緊了，設下條件一定要辦本地課程為主，因為要推行最新通過的新高中課程。這跟母語教學政策同出一徹，最初說DSS可自行選擇用英語教學，到最後還是要符合70%學生適合用英語交學的要求。其實政府給予DSS的資助，亦都是來自立稅人的錢，我們一眾中產階層，稅納了不少，但連選擇讀非本地課程或英語教學都諸多阻攔，實在令人氣忿。我對香港政府及教育局已徹底失望。
其實除了HKUGA外，其他直資學校都要面對同一處境。所以家長選校時一定要三思，切密被新開辦的DSS的花言巧語誤導了。
[ 本文章最後由 angry_mom 於 07-7-10 00:07 編輯 ]
作者: Dr.Cool 時間: 07-7-10 00:13
If many HKUGA parents really like IB and willing to pay. I think those parents can discuss with the school and try to find a way to get it done.
This is not problems of an individual DSS but of all those DSS which planned to offer IB like Logos, Creative, St Paul etc.
作者: father_ho 時間: 07-7-10 00:19
原文章由 angry_mom 於 07-7-10 00:00 發表
今晚返HKUGA聽家長會，學校邀請了校監、中學校長和辦學團體代表講解為甚麼要放棄採用IB課程。原來今年三月時教统局發信通知所有直資學校，嚴格執行一定要以本地課程為主流，可以同時開辦其他課程，但就一 ...
Dear angry_mom,
It's reality and the message from the school actually quite reasonable. The point is should the student already studied for several years under the "IB" type learning approach, can they change all in a sudden and compete under the local examination structure?
For the potential/existing parents entering DSS because of the school will run IB should think carefully and visit ED's web to make sure the relevant regulation imposed on DSS school first.
作者: kkbbkk 時間: 07-7-10 09:14
For those who want to see the full version of HKUGA's explanation on abandoning IB, pls refer to their circular in the website of secondary school
http://www.hkugac.edu.hk/news/Letter%20on%20Curriculum%20from%20HKUGAEF%20-%2003JUL07.pdf
The HKUGA Foundation does not give up their mission of IB. They are studying the feasibility of setting up a PIS for IP Diploma. That operation will be the same as Lee Po Chun United World. It will only cater for the last two years of the secondary school.
As far as we know, the teacher turnover in seconardy school is low. This year only 2 Chinese teachers not continue to teach in the 08/09 school year.
作者: mfkhung 時間: 07-7-10 11:36
So, How about DBS, SPCC...they are all DSS? Could they be an IB School?
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作者: angry_mom 時間: 07-7-10 15:11
據說DBS、SPCC等打算辦IBDP的都一樣要開兩個課程給家長選擇，但並不是每個學生都可選讀IB，要由學校挑選適合讀的學生，而且學費會貴啲。
作者: mfkhung 時間: 07-7-10 18:24
政府其實是否怕 334 冇/少學校支持, 所以要d學校一定要有兩類課程呢?
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作者: mattsmum 時間: 07-7-11 08:23
只是DBS, DGS, Spco-ed st paul conv. 有公佈是直升的,
其余沒有如此宣佈過.
怪不得家長讀落才知,才不滿.
"吓,俾錢都冇得直升?"有朋友如此說.
原文章由 Dr.Cool 於 07-7-9 23:58 發表
HKUGA 係一條龍學校，所有一條龍學校都可以讓小六學生直升，並不是DBS,DGS, SP co-ed等才有的專利。
作者: owenmami 時間: 07-7-11 09:42
I think the crux of the issue is financial viability.
If the parents are prepared to pay $4000 - $5000 per month, it will be financially viable for the school to run an IB stream in parallel to the new 334 local stream.
If the parents want to opt for IB stream, then they'll hav e to pay around $80000 per year (at least) since the gov't won't subsidize the non-local system (with the exception of some ESF schools).
Are all current HKUGA parents willing to pay extra to "buy back" their education autonomy? If so, stand up and tell the school adminstration board!
[ 本文章最後由 owenmami 於 07-7-11 09:44 編輯 ]
作者: TT 時間: 07-7-11 10:16
因為小女九月將會入讀小一, 其實我真係想知道是否沒有了ib課程, 港大同學會小學就沒有了可取之處? 因為以我所知有很多直資小學都不是行ib課程, 而只用活動教學, 小朋友都讀得很開心, 成績亦很好. 有沒有家長可以給我一點意見?
tt
作者: Dr.Cool 時間: 07-7-11 10:48
原文章由 mattsmum 於 07-7-11 08:23 發表
只是DBS, DGS, Spco-ed st paul conv. 有公佈是直升的,
其余沒有如此宣佈過.
怪不得家長讀落才知,才不滿.
"吓,俾錢都冇得直升?"有朋友如此說.
一條龍 = 可以直升
No need to specify 直升, students promoted from P6 to F1 just like promoted from P1 to P2, P2 to P3.., if no promotion, I don't know if the school needs to allow the students to repeat.
作者: Dr.Cool 時間: 07-7-11 10:58
原文章由 TT 於 07-7-11 10:16 發表
因為小女九月將會入讀小一, 其實我真係想知道是否沒有了ib課程, 港大同學會小學就沒有了可取之處? 因為以我所知有很多直資小學都不是行ib課程, 而只用活動教學, 小朋友都讀得很開心, 成績亦很好. 有沒有家長可 ...
I think this relates to the expectation. Those parents expecting HKUGA providing IB just like you expecting HKUGA providing 活動教學. If suddendly HKUGA announces that it will not be 活動教學. Will you be disappointed ?
作者: Judgement 時間: 07-7-11 11:25
[quote]原文章由 mattsmum 於 07-7-11 08:23 發表
只是DBS, DGS, Spco-ed st paul conv. 有公佈是直升的,
其余沒有如此宣佈過.
怪不得家長讀落才知,才不滿.
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作者: HuiTung 時間: 07-7-11 11:58
原文章由 mattsmum 於 07-7-11 08:23 發表
只是DBS, DGS, Spco-ed st paul conv. 有公佈是直升的,
其余沒有如此宣佈過.
怪不得家長讀落才知,才不滿.
"吓,俾錢都冇得直升?"有朋友如此說.
DBSPD will not let a student promote to its secondary if he fails two of the core subjects, i.e. Chinese, English & Maths. St Paul Boys has similar policy, too.
作者: Judgement 時間: 07-7-11 12:11
俾錢
作者: Unclejt 時間: 07-7-11 12:24
原文章由 HuiTung 於 07-7-11 11:58 發表
DBSPD will not let a student promote to its secondary if he fails two of the core subjects, i.e. Chinese, English & Maths. St Paul Boys has similar policy, too.
我又唔覺有問題，等於話成績太差要出校。無家長會認為入到G1就可以自動升上G12卦。
另外、聖保羅書院小學跟聖保羅書院不是一條龍。
作者: HuiTung 時間: 07-7-11 13:07
原文章由 Unclejt 於 07-7-11 12:24 發表
我又唔覺有問題，等於話成績太差要出校。無家長會認為入到G1就可以自動升上G12卦。
另外、聖保羅書院小學跟聖保羅書院不是一條龍。
I think you get me wrong. I was trying to say some dss like DBSPD, SPB is not a 直升 (one dragon) school. For DBSPD, students need to pass the school's academic requirements to secure a seat in its secondary and it was clearly stated in the last admission briefing. SPB is not one dragon, that's why SPB primary students are not gauranteed to 直升.
Somehow, I find people have the misconception : 直資=直升
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作者: Unclejt 時間: 07-7-11 14:46
原文章由 HuiTung 於 07-7-11 13:07 發表
I think you get me wrong. I was trying to say some dss like DBSPD, SPB is not a 直升 (one dragon) school. For DBSPD, students need to pass the school's academic requirements to secure a sea ...
I see. But my understanding of "one dragon" is never unconditional. In the same manner I don't expect the boy to be promoted automatically to G2 if he performs badly in the examination.
作者: HuiTung 時間: 07-7-11 15:45
原文章由 Unclejt 於 07-7-11 14:46 發表
I see. But my understanding of "one dragon" is never unconditional. In the same manner I don't expect the boy to be promoted automatically to G2 if he performs badly in the examination.
Don't worry. The school will not expect all students to have good result for the 1st term in G1 as told by my friend who teaches there .... Anyway, I look forward to your sharing about that school when your kid goes to G1 this Sep. 
作者: TT 時間: 07-7-12 09:21
請問有無家長會知道取消ib課程之後, 學校在課程方面會有什麼改變? 對學生的要求有什麼不同? 老師對學生的教學態度亦是否有轉變?
tt
作者: Charlotte_mom 時間: 07-7-13 20:17
我又來喇...........去左旅行, 所以連9/7個家長會都無去到.......
我比angrymom早少少知道取消ib既事--早幾個禮拜啦! 由中學部家長口中知道
我知hkuga係一直plan行ib, 不過emb正式decline左, 理由同以上網友講一樣, 因為emb話, 直資學校應該以提供本地課程為基楚, 真吹漲! hkugac由day one已然話plan行ib, emb一路都無話唔得! 總之, hkuga面對2個選擇, 一係淨334, 一係334+ib雙軌, 雙軌既後果, 一: 會將學生標籤化, 二: 由於分薄左資源, ib制度本身所包含既flexibility將無法實施(eg 明明一間學校, 同樣一科都可以開幾個level, 學生可根據自己能力, 去揀自己強項讀advance level, 不過如果唔夠資源, 又點可以一科開幾個level呢, 其實, 香港其他行雙軌制既ib學校, 一樣有呢個問題), 所以揀左334都係一個理智既決定(當然作為家長, 我自己鐘意ib模式啦)
其實, 中學行334, 定係行ib, 我都可以接受, 一條龍亦唔係concern, 正如有家長講, 第一年創校, 個個學生中途加入, 材料唔同背景又唔同, 有人跟唔上升唔到中(我既資料係十幾個), 可以理解, 不過眼前面對staff turnover, 我都覺得好頭痕! 我相信工作壓力一定有關係啦, 因為轉左校長一年, 我地見各方面都好smooth, 亦無聽過管理層同下面有咩唔妥, 總之知道老師要走, 一定有d唔開心lor
教書都係搵食, 都係打份工姐, 哎! 我有次返學校整d野, 成十一點(夜晚)都仲見到校長突然出現! 可想而知, 做老師既亦唔會輕鬆...........我梗係想d好老師留耐d啦, 無奈呀.............
[ 本文章最後由 Charlotte_mom 於 07-7-13 22:24 編輯 ]
作者: bk2005 時間: 07-7-14 00:02
連大廚和二廚也耐不了這廚房的熱,大家就知道烏托邦看來不易到達.
我作為一個家長,絕對不想老師因為要教導我的子女,而完全犧牲了他們的私人生活. 尚且,一些好學校也能培養出一些出色的學生,而不需老師完全犧牲他們的私人生活.
聽說HKGUA的老師每年都會為每個學生寫三十多頁的REPORT. 但一個平時有跟進子女學習的家長,又是否須要這樣的REPORT.
看來校方要在效率管理作出改進.
作者: LA 時間: 07-7-14 00:47
Creative 不是DSS, 是私校, 所以不受影響, 應會繼續 proceed IB application
原文章由 Dr.Cool 於 07-7-10 00:13 發表
If many HKUGA parents really like IB and willing to pay. I think those parents can discuss with the school and try to find a way to get it done.
This is not problems of an individual DSS but of all those DSS which planned to offer IB like Logos, Creative, St Paul etc...
作者: Charlotte_mom 時間: 07-7-14 13:45
我正拎住份school report, 等我俾個正確數字:
term one report, 6版紙
term two report, 6版紙
term three report, 12版紙
當然中間有好多係course description, 評分準則, 個個人都一樣, 不過可以睇出, 老師所付出既心機時間實在唔少
原文章由 bk2005 於 07-7-14 00:02 發表
聽說HKGUA的老師每年都會為每個學生寫三十多頁的REPORT. 但一個平時有跟進子女學習的家長,又是否須要這樣的REPORT.
看來校方要在效率管理作出改進.
作者: yyfather 時間: 07-7-14 20:16
went to the P.1 parents briefing this afternoon, very impressive, this is the ideal school of my kid
作者: Dr.Cool 時間: 07-7-14 20:58
原文章由 LA 於 07-7-14 00:47 發表
Creative 不是DSS, 是私校, 所以不受影響, 應會繼續 proceed IB application
Creative Secondary is a DSS.
作者: Charlotte_mom 時間: 07-7-14 21:17
女女校園生活, 真係好開心, positive reinforcement唔係得個講字, 師生關係融洽, 好多學校都做唔到(或者不屑做)
從高年班家長口中得知, 學校中英水平都唔錯, 我都放心, 我女女讀完小一, 好肯定普通話係學得比一般學校深, 英文唔重gramma反而令小朋唔怕錯, 肯去寫, 我個女洋洋洒洒, 真係心口掛個勇字去作一大篇, 呢d training, 係一般傳統教育provide唔到既!
不過, 正如上面有網友講, 想做utopia, 談何容易丫! 真係好多野, 仲要俾allowance lor!
原文章由 yyfather 於 07-7-14 20:16 發表
went to the P.1 parents briefing this afternoon, very impressive, this is the ideal school of my kid
作者: HengDad 時間: 07-7-14 21:53
1. 今午也出席新生家長會, 很欣賞現場的家長和校長, 直率的問, 老實的答.
2. 校長和老師們, 由今早七時開始工作, 辛苦了.
3. 女兒知道我們今日去新學校, 一早七點幾走入房,叫我們問問老師: 筆盒可帶幾多支鉛筆? 幾多舊擦膠?係咪同同學仔一齊坐(圍住坐)? 我們沒有問, 但想告訴老師, 小朋友已充滿盼望, 開學後有著老師的用心, 小朋友絕不會令你們失望.
4. 不過, 校長和老師們, 請勿夜晚十一點至走, 太夜啦.
作者: KK7417 時間: 07-7-14 21:54
作者: Charlotte_mom 時間: 07-7-14 22:45
我都係, 好admire老師/校長果份熱誠...你估positive reinforcement咁易做? 其實以往傳統方式, 大喝一聲全班discipine晒, 簡單直接! 要用耐心去教化, 心血少d都攪唔掂! 以前我唸, 車! 邊得架, 幾個貼紙就想呃到d細路乖乖地, 傻架咩! 而家發現, 傻既係我, 原來o係小朋友心目中, 果幾個貼紙, 襟章, 真係好重要!
HengDad, 你可以用愉快既心情, 幫你女女準備任何款式既文具, 餐具, 餐墊, 髮飾, 只要唔係過份誇張, 咩款都可以! 當然, 帶幾多支鉛筆都得啦! 呀, 唔駛做原子印, 學校會做, 不過你可以自備clothing label
原文章由 HengDad 於 07-7-14 21:53 發表
1. 今午也出席新生家長會, 很欣賞現場的家長和校長, 直率的問, 老實的答.
2. 校長和老師們, 由今早七時開始工作, 辛苦了.
3. 女兒知道我們今日去新學校, 一早七點幾走入房,叫我們問問老師: 筆盒可帶幾多支鉛筆 ...
作者: JennyL 時間: 07-7-17 22:49
At present, it seems that parents all feel that the EMB is forcing the school to abandun the plan of using IB. However, I would like to know why parents can be so sure that a school can really run IB program with such low school fees. It has been so many years, and the school has still not got the IB approval. I was thinking, if they have already got IB approval one or two years earlier, then they would have something in their hands to bargain with the EMB. Obtaining approval is not really taking much time. Renaissance College (an international school managed by the ESF) got approval from IBO for their IBD program a couple of months earlier. Renaissance is actually a new school which opened in August 2006. So it took them less than one year to be officially listed on the IB school list. And they have provided parents with timetable of the inspection by IBO for their PYP and MYP programs. So I just wonder whether HKUGA has any intention at all all these years to obtain approval from IBO. In fact, it appear to me that many other schools that marketed themselves to be adopting IB program, do not seem to have real intention to obtain approval at all.
作者: ckwliu 時間: 07-7-18 08:54
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作者: JennyL 時間: 07-7-18 10:52
原文章由 ckwliu 於 07-7-18 08:54 發表
obtaining IB approval is both intensive and expensive. and after obtaining IB status, they need to pay a quite a large sum of money to retain the status. if a school is only proproviding IB Dip ...
Everyone knows that IB is an expensive program. Starting up a new school is a huge job. Extensive researches should have been made. The schools should know well what the IB approval fees (and requisites) are and THAT should have been put into consideration when deciding on school fees. If they want to keep their school fees low then they should not even think of adopting IB at all. If they want to adopt IB programs, they should proceed with obtaining approval asap. If they are not an IB school and they claim to provide or are in fact providing IB programs, then the quality cannot be guaranteed. And we would not know whether such programs would be recognised by other IB schools or univertisites even.
My point is, I can only feel that those schools are cheating on parents. If they do not think IB program is worth the money, just don't even mention IB in their marketing campaigne.
Now, what I feel is that parents are tricked into investing their children's future in "counterfeit" schools --- I have grounds when I used the word "counterfeit". They used the IB brandname/trademark in marketing the schools when in fact, the "inside" is something else. Legally, isn't that counterfeiting?
When you are tricked to buy a counterfeit handbag, you only lose some money. But when you are tricked to investing into a school, you are losing more than money but the future of your child.
I am not saying the local syllabus is not as good as IB. Some people might even think local syllabus are the best. But the thing is, if I intended to pay for IB, then I should get IB, and nothing else. Just like when I am buying oranges, you are not to give me apples.
[ 本文章最後由 JennyL 於 07-7-18 11:01 編輯 ]
作者: Judgement 時間: 07-7-18 11:10
原文章由 JennyL 於 07-7-18 10:52 發表
Everyone knows that IB is an expensive program. The point is, if it is expensive and the school thinks that they O(or the parents) cannot afford it, then they should not market themselves as ...
Dear Jenny,
I also agree with your point to certain extent. Even though those school have mission and vision to carry out IB, they should not promote / market it with "certainty" without clarifing the policy in the first place. To do so, these school are imprudent indeed.
Parents changing their decisions by putting their son/girl to the school, relying on the representation / promise made by the school. Now the school does not honest their promise to parents/students' detriment. Legally speaking, there are liabilities that the schools may have to bear should and parents take legal action against the school. (Those who have legal training may know).
作者: nintendo 時間: 07-7-18 11:24
我在另一個 topic 亦曾提及，部份 "假 IB" 學校的問題，觀點同 jennyl 類同。
IB 係一個貴的 program，但佢貴，唔代表係延遲申請 approval 的藉口；真係要駛的錢，係唔可以慳的，一係當初就唔好定得學費咁平啦。如果要整到咁平，根本冇可能做到 IB ，即使你話淨係 IBD 都冇可能。冇 approval 的卦名 IB 學校，質素係點都唔知，而學生同其他 IB 學校銜接問題亦唔知，而 IBD 班級的入大學資格亦唔知。
明知經濟上唔可能，硬要 sell 自己係 IB 學校，咁都唔係欺騙？
其實學校而家真係好好采，咁橋 EMB 突然話 DSS 唔可以 "全 IB"，咁學校就可以來一招順水推舟，將個責任完全拋去比 EMB 。講真啦，就算 EMB 唔出新指引，以學校的學費水平，根本冇可能搞到 IB 課程。
值得留意的，係有好幾間學校，在開校招生時，都標榜自己係 IB 學校，以 IB 課程招徠，但時間過去了，這些學校都隻字不提 IB 的事 (起碼學校網頁內都不再見佢地提及 IB)。辦學嗟，唔駛辦到要厄厄騙騙卦？
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作者: stjoboldboy 時間: 07-7-18 12:04
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作者: HuiTung 時間: 07-7-18 12:20
Anyone can tell which is a "true" IB school by its school fee.
原文章由 stjoboldboy 於 07-7-18 12:04 發表
仲有間DSS (真X),話申請緊IBD,
學校網頁內都強調有IBD,依你咁講咪凍過水?
作者: mingdo 時間: 07-7-18 12:44
IB課程喺未好重要？如果IB真喺咁重要，咁啲學生升大學全部都有考IB呀？咁第日新高中試又代表什麼？如果學校話唔辦IB，唔代表呢間學校唔好又或令人失望．選學校都從多方面睇，點都唔會睇一面掛！
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作者: stjoboldboy 時間: 07-7-18 12:53
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作者: nintendo 時間: 07-7-18 14:06
原文章由 mingdo 於 07-7-18 12:44 發表
IB課程未好重要？如果IB真咁重要，咁學生升大學全部都有考IB呀？咁第日新高中試又代表什麼？如果學校話唔辦IB，唔代表呢間學校唔好又或令人失望．選學校都從多方面睇，點都唔會睇一面掛！
而家唔關 IB 課程有幾重要的事。
有網友都話，講明係買橙，但係就比蘋果，咁都唔係貨不對辦？
[ 本文章最後由 nintendo 於 07-7-18 14:15 編輯 ]
作者: Judgement 時間: 07-7-18 14:14
[quote]原文章由 mingdo 於 07-7-18 12:44 發表
IB課程
作者: owenmami 時間: 07-7-18 14:32
唔辦IB的local school, 有很多都很好, 如協恩、聖心、la salle.....
但如果間學校既理念係唔操學生做考試機器，但到最後又要同其他的local school已操得很fit的學生一齊應考新高中公開試，咁樣爭入大學就係「讓賽」
原文章由 mingdo 於 07-7-18 12:44 發表
IB課程未好重要？如果IB真咁重要，咁學生升大學全部都有考IB呀？咁第日新高中試又代表什麼？如果學校話唔辦IB，唔代表呢間學校唔好又或令人失望．選學校都從多方面睇，點都唔會睇一面掛！
[ 本文章最後由 owenmami 於 07-7-18 14:47 編輯 ]
作者: nintendo 時間: 07-7-18 14:37
原文章由 HuiTung 於 07-7-18 12:20 發表
Anyone can tell which is a "true" IB school by its school fee.
睇學費，唔會知係唔係 IB 學校，學費高低只可以作參考。
而家有 IB 的，都係國際學校；而 IBD 的學費由 8 萬至 13 萬一年，未計 debenture/ capital levy。
DSS 中，以 SPCC 的地位和背景，要開埋 IB 課程唔難，但佢地都覺得佢地而家的學費水平 (好似約 $50000 一年)，要加開 IB 課程，就有加學費壓力，咁大家都可以估下計， IB 學校學費會係 5 萬以上。
其實全部正式 approved 的學校，都列在官方網頁名單內。
http://www.ibo.org/
如果一日未申請成功，都可能有變。
有朋友舊年想申請 renaissance，我都叫佢睇定 d 先，等學校正式有 approval 先算；當然，照計英基 ( renaissance 係英基學校) 應該唔會厄人，不過，都唔爭在等多一年，好過好似而家個有 D 學校，變成兩頭唔到岸。
其實睇番 renaissance 同 victoria 的情形，的確係可以好快搞掂，如果某學校遲遲未正式有 approval，原因係乜，家長要自己打聽下。
作者: HuiTung 時間: 07-7-18 14:39
原文章由 stjoboldboy 於 07-7-18 12:53 發表
So, how about (CKx), their school fee is not cheap, but looks like their IBD application is still "in progress". Do you think they can make it?
啟x $62,500 per annum, 佢地人強馬壯也今年五月先拿倒IBO authorisation. CKx 搵個以前攪IB的IS校長統籌IB課程, 決心應是有的, 只是天時地利人和的問題罷.
作者: agnesllth 時間: 07-7-18 15:19
It is not possible to tell whether a school can be an IB authorised school by looking at the fees. The best way to check it out at the official website. Some very expensive international schools have no intention of switching completely to IB in one step. On the other hand, I simply do not think a school charging a mere 2k per month could in any way manage to be an IB school.
And I am not saying IB is better either. Nothing can be good for everyone. In fact, to be honest, IB is not suitable for most Hong Kong students who are used to spoon-fed education. IB is extremely demanding and requires very high language skills and students have to be real thinkers and not exam machines. It might sound a little too harsh but, honestly, yes, IB would only be suitable for very competent students. In fact, it might even be good news to most students if a local school is not switching to IB at all. I just have to say that most local school students would not be able to perform well using IB. They would probably perform better if they are following the local syllabus.
[ 本文章最後由 agnesllth 於 07-7-18 15:30 編輯 ]
作者: agnesllth 時間: 07-7-18 15:29
Copied from the official website
Australian International School: DP
Canadian International School: DP
Chinese International School: MYP, DP
French International School: DP
Hong Kong Academy Primary School: PYP
Island School: DP
Japanese International School: PYP
Kiangsu-Chekiang College, International Section: DP
King George V School: DP
Kingston International School: PYP
Li Po Chun United World College of Hong Kong: DP
Renaissance College: DP
Sha Tin College: DP
South Island School: DP
Victoria Belcher Kindergarten: PYP
Victoria Shanghai Academy: PYP, MYP, DP
West Island School: DP
Yew Chung International School - Hong Kong: DP
[ 本文章最後由 agnesllth 於 07-7-18 15:54 編輯 ]
作者: mingdo 時間: 07-7-18 15:49
原文章由 owenmami 於 07-7-18 14:32 發表
唔辦IB的local school, 有很多都很好, 如協恩、聖心、la salle.....
但如果間學校既理念係唔操學生做考試機器，但到最後又要同其他的local school已操得很fit的學生一齊應考新高中公開試，咁樣爭入大學就係「讓 ...
或者新高中公開試未必適合日日比老師操做考試機器的學生呢！
作者: HuiTung 時間: 07-7-18 16:13
原文章由 agnesllth 於 07-7-18 15:19 發表
It is not possible to tell whether a school can be an IB authorised school by looking at the fees. The best way to check it out at the official website. Some very expensive international schools ...
So please tell me if there's any IB school that charges below $3000 per month. Gosh! Don't you think IB is a free lunch?! How could people say IB is very expensive on one hand, but ask people not to judge by its cost on the other hand???????
Moreover, I'm very sorry to hear that HK students are born to be spoon-fed. The problem arises from the HK education system itself, not the children themselves.
[ 本文章最後由 HuiTung 於 07-7-18 16:20 編輯 ]
作者: agnesllth 時間: 07-7-18 16:18
原文章由 HuiTung 於 07-7-18 16:13 發表
So please tell me if there's any IB school that charges below $3000 per month. Gosh! Don't you think IB is a free lunch?! How could people say IB is very expensive on one hand, but ask people not to judge by its cost on the other hand???????
Do you understand English at all?
IB schools are expensive schools.
But expensive schools are not necessary IB schools.
This is Math 101 or Logic 101.
Anyway, to answer your question ...... No, in Hong Kong there is no IB schools that charge under $3k/month.
[ 本文章最後由 agnesllth 於 07-7-18 16:23 編輯 ]
作者: HuiTung 時間: 07-7-18 16:21
原文章由 agnesllth 於 07-7-18 16:18 發表
Do you understand English at all?
So can you write in Chinese then?
作者: HuiTung 時間: 07-7-18 16:23
原文章由 agnesllth 於 07-7-18 16:18 發表
Do you understand English at all?
IB schools are expensive schools.
But expensive schools are not necessary IB schools.
This is Logic 101.
Anyway, to answer you ...
Of course I know. Expensive schools have their own reasons to be expensive. :tongue:
作者: agnesllth 時間: 07-7-18 16:25
原文章由 HuiTung 於 07-7-18 16:23 發表
Of course I know. Expensive schools have their own reasons to be expensive. :tongue:
Then, what was your queries just now?
:tongue: :tongue:
作者: ChristyBBmama 時間: 07-7-18 16:36
兩年前, DGS 出過信話學生要band 1 or band 2 先收, 好似冇話一定收晒喎, 不過最近有冇改就唔知喇
[quote]原文章由 mattsmum 於 07-7-11 08:23 發表
只是DBS, DGS, Spco-ed st paul conv. 有公佈是直升的,
其余沒有如此宣佈過.
怪不得家長讀落才知,才不滿.
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作者: agnesllth 時間: 07-7-18 16:40
I hate to see that there are schools that falsely provide information to parents in order to get students. The schools knew that IB is expensive and they insisted on charging a mere 2k. With such school fees you just cannot in any way be an IB school. Yet, they still marketed themselves as IB schools.
Why didn't they simply follow the cheaper local syllabus from the beginning? I know many people, like me, would prefer IB and an IB school would definitely sell better. But it is really sad to see that parents were given false information/hope.
Parents should be smarter next timel. There is no "big toads" out there. Getting into an IB school with low fees? Not possible.
作者: Annie123 時間: 07-7-18 17:11
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作者: pumbaa 時間: 07-7-18 17:22
***it is really sad to see that parents were given false information/hope.*** AGREE
作者: Pelican 時間: 07-7-19 20:41
Regarding the new rules set by EMB (ie DSSs cannot switch to IB school completely), has other DSSs told parents yet? It appears to me that some DSSs are still telling parents their IB applications are "in progress".
Honestly, even if those new rules are really to come into force, I would not be too surprised. Has anyone heard about it that there have been complaints from government subsidised schools about the new DSSs?
Last year one DSS in Shatin area had to actually limit the intake of students living in Shatin to 15%. Why? Because the EMB asked the school to do so. And why? Because a lot of government subsidised schools in Shatin did not have enough students.
Now why DSSs are not to allowed to switch to IB school? You guys guess. Once these DSSs are to switched back to local syllabus, a lot of parents might as well consider switching back to free government subsidised schools. See the point?
There are just too many new DSSs around and at the same time, many government subsidised school have been forced to close.
[ 本文章最後由 Pelican 於 07-7-19 20:57 編輯 ]
作者: sue2moumou 時間: 07-7-19 22:18
我並不認為hkuga對於首屆畢業生當年是無得揀的, 質素參差....等等云云. 雖然我個小朋友並不是佢地第一屆學生, 但我必須要說句公道話. 當年頭三屆學生中, 以小二小三插班和小一四班是學校本身自行面試, 取錄學生, 學校有100%收生權, 如何會無得揀???只有小一兩班是政府派位入來, 因為當年佢地申請做直資, 而係未批情況下仍是津貼小學, 所以有兩班派入黎,如果話無得揀, 都係.....對唔住, 我並無扁意,純粹分析啫. 另外, 小三入黎讀左三四年, 先至突然話唔收佢, 你叫佢地點算?係呢度教到人地成績差哂, 佢地又唔負責任, 趕人走叫人去邊呀?
如果佢地當初話開一條龍學校, 要學生符合幾多科合格....等等條件先至俾佢升中一, ok fine, 我都覺得好合理, 但係當初佢地話因為政府未俾到地, 所以初期我地都好擔心起唔到中學, 於是成班家長聯署俾羅范椒芬, 仲有家長親自譔文.....估唔到而家"打完齋唔要和尚". 開頭如果早講要好成績, 我諗個個都會去補習, 唔會淨係補英文. 唔怕講有一間差唔多係御用補英文o既補習班, 三年前, 當年最高級只有小五時, 已有超過30人在那裡補習(小四小五各三班, 30人一班, 小三六班, 小一小二各四班, 通常小一二太細, 唔會補, 亦唔覺得需要補, 因為水未浸到眼眉)那麼若說hkuga的學生英文好, 則要好好理解....
p.s.我的朋友兒子以為hkuga college有ib讀先至考進去, 睇黎, 他一定好後悔
作者: maryL 時間: 07-7-22 13:34 標題: Is it real?
I'm looking for a school to my daughter next year. But it sounds like the workload of the teachers is really heavy.
As a parent, I think if the teachers' workload is too heavy, how can they be physically and emotionally be fit? If the
teachers aren't happy, the students are the one to be
affected. Would this explain the high staff turnover rate of this school? What do other parents think?
Almost 30 pages of EACH school report sounds too
much.
:tongue:
原文章由 Charlotte_mom 於 07-7-14 13:45 發表
我正拎住份school report, 等我俾個正確數字:
term one report, 6版紙
term two report, 6版紙
term three report, 12版紙
當然中間有好多係course description, 評分準則, 個個人都一樣, 不過可以睇出, 老 ...
作者: wildberries 時間: 07-7-23 13:50
原文章由 sue2moumou 於 07-7-19 22:18 發表
我並不認為hkuga對於首屆畢業生當年是無得揀的, 質素參差....等等云云. 雖然我個小朋友並不是佢地第一屆學生, 但我必須要說句公道話. 當年頭三屆學生中, 以小二小三插班和小一四班是學校本身自行面試, 取錄學生 ...
Totally agree!
I have attended their briefing before and considered to let my child to study there. The two main selling points of this school were through-train and to run IB. Every parent in the briefing session appraised it as their dream school. And I think these two points make it becomes quite famous within a few years. But when I look back now, I must say I am lucky to withdraw this school's offer. 
作者: yyfather 時間: 07-7-23 21:35
wildberries,
which school did your kid finally attend?
作者: wildberries 時間: 07-7-23 21:54
原文章由 yyfather 於 07-7-23 21:35 發表
wildberries,
which school did your kid finally attend?
Hi yyfather,
At that time my kid was accepted by 3 schools, they were CKY, HKUGA and a private school in Kowloon Tong and at last, we finally chose the private school. And my kid studied well and happy at that school.
作者: yyfather 時間: 07-7-23 23:06
wildberries
Your kid is so lucky - not many parents are willing / able to pay for private school.
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