蔡繼有學校首誕兩IB狀元

ANChan59

poonseelai 發表於 14-7-29 14:09
好似係真道如讀Eng B 會選HL，如選Eng A 就只有SL，所以要另外一科讀HL。讀Eng B 一般都要考其他英語水平試 ...

妳記唔記得，以前有個Ruling，讀了幾多年英文或中文，就不能選 B 或更淺的課程。昨日網上搵唔番！

nintendo

原帖由 ANChan59 於 14-07-29 發表
妳記唔記得，以前有個Ruling，讀了幾多年英文或中文，就不能選 B 或更淺的課程。昨日網上搵唔番！ ...

應該係 ibo website 有寫過，但好似唔再用 「幾多年」做分界，因為例如本地學校的中文，和 esf 的中文水平都唔同，計時間，可能 esf個個都要讀 chinese a ，因此，而家係計實際水平。而家係由老師決定學生可以讀 a or b，老師有 guideline 去分。但以香港來說，dbs spcc cky 都唔係國際學校，但學生都 english a ，大學會覺得，香港學生理應可以應付 english a。因此大家選科時要小心。再講，有人以往過到骨，唔代表以後都行得通，大學慢慢知邊D人走精面。

ANChan59

nintendo 發表於 14-7-29 14:40
應該係 ibo website 有寫過，但好似唔再用 「幾多年」做分界，因為例如本地學校的中文，和 esf 的中文水平 ...

搵錯Gate keeper

lawsonmoon

nintendo 發表於 14-7-29 14:40
應該係 ibo website 有寫過，但好似唔再用 「幾多年」做分界，因為例如本地學校的中文，和 esf 的中文水平 ...

我係北美時IB係小眾, 尖子大部分只會揀AP。HK漸流行,我預見到陸續會出現補習班,IB顧問和學校放水等新聞。IB其實就係設計for小眾,老師係靈魂,根本不應該普及。

lawsonmoon

lawsonmoon 發表於 14-7-25 16:23
仲有個有趣现象,唔計local schools,連英基公怖那些45分狀元,全部都是Asian names, 有乜implications！？ ...

indian girl is also Asian. 我讀書既時候,當地人係唔會有太多90分既人會花一倍既時間温書去想攞一百分的,佢地令願玩其他嘢。記得有個當地同學,考試永遠低我幾分,但他又識拉小提琴,又識揸飛機；第一次Gulf war時仲同我講擔心被徵招做後備機師,我都非常偑服佢地。

nintendo

lawsonmoon 發表於 14-7-29 15:18
我係北美時IB係小眾, 尖子大部分只會揀AP。HK漸流行,我預見到陸續會出現補習班,IB顧問和學校放水等新聞。IB ...

Not the same now. More and more tier one universities are seeing IBDP as a preferred curriculum. Some may even start to exempt students from taking SAT I (with English A). I think it is only a start. I also think IBDP should not be mainstream as it is too demanding. Not that only the content is hard, but the whole curriculum is demanding: TOK, EE, CAS, etc. Not everyone has the mentality to handle all these thing. So not sure whether more and more IBDP schools is a good thing. I think it will only make the mediocre students even more frustrated.
But regarding 放水, I am not too worried. In any system, teachers can 放水, but universities will will find ways to pick students they want . Honestly, with standard tests like AP (exam not classes) or SAT, it is still hard to say whether a student is really competent. AP and SAT exams are exams and it is hard to tell whether a student is really good/bad since luck may mean a lot, especially with the high proportion of MC questions.


I have spoken with a professor of a university in the US. He said they (the department) kept track of the high school grades and performance of admitted students (including those from foreign high schools).  For example, high school A and high school B both have students going to their department, both with 90% (high school grades). But in university, high school B students perform a lot better than high school A. Then in future admissions, they will tend to add "bonus points" to students in high school B.


This may still not exactly be fair.  But I think universities would certainly try their best to ensure they get the best students, and not those that try to take short cut.

annie40

IB 的教书育人精神是完人教育, 是真的德智体群美, 独立自主, 朝着更高理想进发, 从来考English B, Chinese A, Math Studies, 不该被看扁一线,除非是有足够能力却又懒精叻甘读浅薄paper.  自己浪费时间.

至于大学如何演绎申请人的个别能力和水平, 非常subjective, 因而45分入唔到牛剑, 而41分又入左啦!

nintendo

Every university curriculum has a certain prerequisite requirement. I do not see how someone taking a mere Math Studies class can handle university engineering curriculum.
Many universities clearly states which program has certain required classes, Math HL, English A, Bio, Chem, etc. These are the admission requirements. It is not a matter of 被看扁一线





My participation of this discussion ends here as some people are starting to be unreasonably defensive.

foolish.mom

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Admission tests and interviews of Oxbridge play a very important role in whether a student is given a conditional offer:
Among all applicants, around 50% are selected to interviews, mainly based on expected grades and admission test results.  After interviews, only 1/3 are given conditional offers.

foolish.mom

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Agree with you that students taking Math Studies may not necessarily be a "mediocre" student, or a student that takes short cut.  He may not be strong in Math, but may be extremely strong in languages, history, literature, verbal analysis. Obviously this student will not apply Engineering, Science, or even Economics courses in UK/HK universities.  But he may excel in English literature or a law degree. Heard from my son's English teacher that big companies like to hire Eng Lit. major students, as their analytical minds are usually strong. My son is not strong in literature, so I can't comment, or even border if it is true.
If a student is excellent is all 6 group subjects, it is a gift.  If not, IB allows this flexibility.

nintendo

foolish.mom 發表於 14-7-29 16:53
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Agree with you that students taking Math Studies may not necessarily be a "med ...

Students need to understand that making a certain choice of classes (e.g. Math Studies, English B) would mean limitation of his choices of programs at universities. I was here to remind students/parents to be careful with choices of subject. If anyone is aiming non science major, Math Studies is a good choice. However, I think no matter which stream a student is choosing, it is not advisable to take English B. But again, it is only my opinion. I would advise my kids to take English A anyway. It is better to have a 5 in English A than a 7 in English B.

shadeslayer

原帖由 ANChan59 於 14-07-29 發表
妳記唔記得，以前有個Ruling，讀了幾多年英文或中文，就不能選 B 或更淺的課程。昨日網上搵唔番！ ...

如果學校無開 A 班呢？

shadeslayer

原帖由 nintendo 於 14-07-29 發表
Students need to understand that making a certain choice of classes (e.g. Math Studies, English B) ...

It is the aptitude of the student that defines the subjects.

ANChan59

shadeslayer 發表於 14-7-30 21:29
如果學校無開 A 班呢？

小班教學，點會開唔到班。


以前有規定學了多少年英文，就要考A，不能考B，現在交由學校 IB coordinator 把關，按學生能力考不同課程，才會出現成間學校學生考 B。
可能不同學校對學生英文水準的要求及信心不同，正常情況，幾差的 lB 學校都不會一個學生都冇能力去考A吧！


如果IBO不杜絕歪風，將來香港會越來越多學生考英文B，中文B .......... 劣幣驅逐良幣，IB 在香港遲早玩完！

shadeslayer

原帖由 ANChan59 於 14-07-30 發表
小班教學，點會開唔到班。

香港本地學校定位以中文為第一語言，英文為外語，其實和 DSE 一樣，如果大學不要求英語達高水平，我看沒有本質上問題。IBO 亦不會要求學生兩種語言達第一語言水平。出現英文B和中文B，即沒有一種語言到第一語言水平，當然不合理。出現英文A 和中文 A，是少數叻仔。

香港國際學校亦未必每一間會開 Chi A。

ANChan59

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有興趣知道那一問沒有中文A？

tingtingting

ANChan59 發表於 14-7-31 09:06
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有興趣知道那一問沒有中文A？

Yes, I am curious.  By the way, any IB schools not offering English A?

ANChan59

tingtingting 發表於 14-7-31 09:21
Yes, I am curious.  By the way, any IB schools not offering English A?

For the first few batches, only LA in HK.

shadeslayer

原帖由 tingtingting 於 14-07-31 發表
Yes, I am curious.  By the way, any IB schools not offering English A?

國際學校唔一定 offer  Chi A。\

annie40

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學校想揚名立萬，如果學生有能力，是很想開English A and Chinese A的。