點解冇人派到去九華

goodenough

奥脫福 發表於 14-7-29 21:35
我估九華最有機會入到Ｂ２生的是深水埗果兩個乙部位，因為呢區Ｂ１生
多過Ｂ１位，應該都無乜Ｂ１生會咁 ...

Band 2搏唔搏九華，我諗都係留返比家長自己去決定，但個大前提係一定要清楚自己的banding。有網友話叫band 2同學選band 1學校卻給人家鬧，無他嘅，因為家長唔清楚個遊戲點玩，只要清楚了，有了安全感之後，搏與唔搏由自己操控。情況就如有些學校和老師，唔將個實情講清楚給家長知，明明是band 2的同學又為了同學多派band 1學校而有意無意隱瞞真實banding。有些家長又信了網上的謠言，錯誤估計了自己同學的banding，如果這類同學一但拿到一個壞的隨機號碼就有機會派到去唔知幾多志願。
相反，讓家長知道實情，搏與唔搏都由家長決定，就算結果唔理想，大家都有共識。以前求過於供的時候，同學派得差都未至於咁多怨言，而家派位情況改善了，但怨言卻多了。

fion6406

原帖由 奥脫福 於 14-07-29 發表
我估九華最有機會入到Ｂ２生的是深水埗果兩個乙部位，因為呢區Ｂ１生
多過Ｂ１位，應該都無乜Ｂ１生會咁 ...

深水埗區band 1 位唔夠咖喎，尤其是男仔。band 2生有機會 入到九華是九龍城區那兩個位吧（聖芳濟在九龍城區也有兩個位）（題外話，衣車家長個case 真係好有啟發性）

奥脫福

fion6406 發表於 14-7-30 18:32

深水埗區band 1 位唔夠咖喎，尤其是男仔。band 2生有機會 入到九華是九龍城區那兩個位吧（聖芳濟在九龍城區 ...

正正係因為Ｂ１位唔夠，所以有幾多同學夠膽填哂所有Ｂ１學校至填Ｂ２學校？！細膽
果ｄ分分鐘在乙三已經填Ｂ２學校做保險啦！反而在九龍城，Ｂ１位過剩，搞到有ｄ邊
緣英中係咁收Ｂ２生！在呢個情況下，係Ｂ１生都可以放心擺哂Ｂ１ａ學校、Ｂ１ｂ學
校Ｂ１ｃ學校、Ｂ２學校。。。咁Ｂ２生想執他區得幾個位的名校又似乎無咁容易。

至於衣車家長個個案真係好經典！你真係無諗過在一間傳統天主教小學全級排二十幾的
同學竟然會跌落Ｂ２，但學校卻「估計」係Ｂ１！我用引號來括起「估計」的原因係，
到底學校係「估計」，還是「打大」個次第搵同學的派位黎「較飛」？因為正路一個Ｂ
１生在乙一選Ｂ１學校，無理由叫同學乙二就填Ｂ２學校（胡ＸＹ）架！除非同學唔係
Ｂ１生啦！如果學校係刻意隱瞞同學的真實次第，咁呢間學校的做法真係好有問題囉！

好彩衣車囡囡係在ＫＬ３！若換左去隔離區，情況真係不敢想像呀！

王家爸爸

goodenough 發表於 14-7-30 00:08
Band 2搏唔搏九華，我諗都係留返比家長自己去決定，但個大前提係一定要清楚自己的banding。有網友話叫band  ...

有些學校和老師的做法正好相反，也唔將個實情講清楚給家長知，將 band 1 同學說成  band 2 生，然後要你報 band 1 尾，增加頭三比例。

goodenough

王家爸爸 發表於 14-7-30 22:09
有些學校和老師的做法正好相反，也唔將個實情講清楚給家長知，將 band 1 同學說成  band 2 生，然後要你報  ...

將band 1同學說成band 2生，學校被派往band 1的數量會減少。難道你不怕明天又有一個新post，xx小學夠竟有幾多band 1生？點解咁少同學派band 1學校？
有些學校會將有疑問的歸納為邊緣同學，提供足夠資訊給同學和家長就可以，讓他們一方面保留搏band 1學校的機會，另一方面又可作充份的保險，為同學和學校同時提供了保障！

王家爸爸

goodenough 發表於 14-7-30 23:21
將band 1同學說成band 2生，學校被派往band 1的數量會減少。難道你不怕明天又有一個新post，xx小學夠竟有幾 ...

將 band 1 尾學生說成  band 2 頭學生，Band 1 學生的數量並沒有實際的減少，所以學校沒有壞處。
只是這樣做， band 1 尾學生（或疑邊緣學生）會變得保守，選擇 Band 1 尾學校，所以乙一必入。

lugano

takeshita 發表於 14-7-19 20:36
就算九華不是Band 1 頭, 佢都係油尖旺區大部份Band 1 家長的首選，俗D講句, 真係抵食夾大件，相比同區 DxS, Yx, 用錢買人的政策, 個人並不欣賞。今年九華又出狀元，同區一眾男校真望塵莫及，就證明有錢唔係萬能，平民教育，有教無類重掂。...

頗欣賞耶穌會及其附屬組織下的學校如港九兩間華仁和瑪利曼女校，這一類堅持平等教育、有教無類的平民名校買少見少 。今年九華學生真的踢出爭氣波，出了一個 DSE 狀元，可喜可喜, 一呼幾年前會考成績不太理想的涼氣。

其實之前有心水清家長指出幾年前九華下滑是因為好多附屬/一條龍直資小學+中學過了六年小學後首次直升吸走不少好的升中生，沒有自家青訓小學的九華當年遭遇斷層式收生。痛定思痛，在小班教學模式改革下，呢兩年已見成效。

兩間華仁有著強大舊生 network, 海外耶穌會升學網絡配套亦佳, 其中一間華仁需要經費，兩間華仁舊生會一齊發功，如舊生捐錢支持小班教學, 九華今年又有由舊生捐全新第 4 代 4GS 仿真草足球場，呢 D support唔係普通學校可以有。

我發覺有少部份家長可能唔 appreciate 耶穌會以自由愉快學習為原則的教育方針 ，
Frankly, 兩間華仁和瑪利曼本身未必是追求Best of the Best精英教育如男拔或女拔的那一類學校, 因為辦學個教育方針定位本身已不同， 家長不應有過份的期望。

我認識的華仁仔在職場內外一般都有很強的創造力, 愛助人及高 EQ，可能呢 D就係耶穌會教育下的內功精髓，植根學生在往後幾十年的人生路上發揮出來的功力。

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題外話，對一間學校的尊敬，除了來自家長外，名校間的俾面尊重更為重要，看看其他名校者都依舊對待九華如一，就知其江湖地位未變，如之前有家長說九華拍住 HYS / GHS 參加國際音樂比賽。另外，在畢業後的聯校舊生活動，好多學校亦會預埋九華一份，如 Maryknoll 舊生會攪的 joint school social drinks ，呢 D畢業後還有的 joint school networking event 亦唔係普通學校畢業可以有的，話唔定良緣亦由此起。

http://www.mcsfsa.com/en/news.php

“…..Alumni Associations of Maryknoll Convent School, Marymount Secondary School, Wah Yan College, Hong Kong and Wah Yan College, Kowloon Joint Happy Hour Gathering at Lan Kwai Fong …..”

王家爸爸

lugano 發表於 14-8-1 10:41
頗欣賞耶穌會及其附屬組織下的學校如港九兩間華仁和瑪利曼女校，這一類堅持平等教育、有教無類的平民名校 ...

我記得瑪利曼的辦學機構好似是瑪利諾修院不是耶穌會。不知我有沒有記錯。

必必

王家爸爸 發表於 14-8-1 11:25
我記得瑪利曼的辦學機構好似是瑪利諾修院不是耶穌會。不知我有沒有記錯。  ...

你心水清.  但講緊係瑪利曼. 佢辦學團體係香港基督生活團(天主教).

takeshita

lugano 發表於 14-8-1 10:41
頗欣賞耶穌會及其附屬組織下的學校如港九兩間華仁和瑪利曼女校，這一類堅持平等教育、有教無類的平民名校 ...

非常同意。我公司舊年請了幾個暑期工文員（好似中六等放榜），其中一個九華一個DXS, 後者自視過高很多低級少少工作都唔肯做。九華個男仔外表睇來比較樸素乜都肯做，又幫埋隔離位同事清潔抬面。有日外籍老闆秘書冇番工，一番來就叫個DXS入房幫手清潔，點知佢用流利嘅英文講，乜公司唔係請我番來做寫字樓工作咩？佢下午就唔見咗人。（係炒咗唔係自己辭職。）
雖然個別例子，不過感受都好深。

lugano

王家爸爸 發表於 14-8-1 11:25
我記得瑪利曼的辦學機構好似是瑪利諾修院不是耶穌會。不知我有沒有記錯。  ...

瑪利曼 (Marymount) 現今辦學機構是香港基督生活團 Christian Life Community (CLC)，CLC 是耶穌會項下的附屬組織, they follow and engage in the Ignatian Spirituality (耶穌會會祖 St Ignatius Loyola),   CLC 組織內的 Ministries 全是耶穌會神父。


Backgound:
Maryknoll Sisters --> Columban Sisters --> Christian Life Community

Maryknoll Sisterw (1927 to 1978)
Columban Sisters (1978 to 1996)
Christian Life Community (1996 to current)

(1) Marymount (Wikipedia)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marymount_Secondary_School

In 1996, the Columban Sisters initiated the transfer of the sponsorship of the school to the Christian Life Community(CLC), the process of which was completed by September 1997. The CLC is an international Catholic lay community with a keen interest in education and commitment to the service of youth, and which receives spiritual guidance from the Jesuits of Wah Yan College, Hong Kong.


(2) Philisophy of Education of CLC

http://hkclc.catholic.org.hk/index.php/our-ministries/education-ministry#education


Education Ministry
Since 1997, CLC (HK) has been engaged, on a communal level, in the education ministry through the sponsorship of Marymount Secondary School and Marymount Primary School. Certain individual members represent the Community through specific service areas, such as Supervisor, School Managers. Others are engaged in fostering the faith and spirituality of students, teachers, parents and alumnae. The whole community, in various ways, facilitates and supports all of them on accomplishing our mission in the schools according to our Philosophy of Education.


Philosophy of Education of CLC(HK)
According to our Catholic and cultural traditions, we aim at the greater development of each student in each of the following areas – moral, intellectual, physical, social, aesthetic and spiritual. Through care and concern for each individual person, we seek to form students,

• Whose acquisition of knowledge and skills is joined to values;
• Who will become reflective and will accept their strengths and weaknesses;
• Who will come to the knowledge of God and put Christian values into practice;
• Who are sensitive to the needs of others, especially the poor;
• Who fulfil the role of serving others to build a just and compassionate society.
  

The achievement of the above relies on a spirit of community, co-operation, trust and respect among the supervisor, administrators, teaching staff, managers, students, parents and former students.

Our vision in education is to form young people to be persons with wisdom, care, love and compassion for others and with others.




(3) Marymount and CLC

http://hkclc.catholic.org.hk/index.php/our-ministries


Leunis InstituteIn accordance with its vision Statement and Mission Statement, 2008, The Leunis Institute provides various different opportunities for CLC members and others to engage in the Spiritual Exercises of St Ignatius. Internally the Leunis Institute provides formation for lay guides of the Spiritual Exercises and other resource persons to ensure the proper fostering and continuation of its formation ministry and to ensure the well-being of the Community and its apostolic work.

Vision Statement

• To ignite the fire of Ignatian Spirituality in the world today through the promotion of ways to help others to centre their lives in Christ and to find God in all things in accordance with the apostolic dynamism of St Ignatius Loyola.
  

Mission Statement

• To form CLC members through deepening their understanding of Ignatian Spirituality and to help them live out this spirituality in their daily lives.
• To help the CLC (HK) foster and systematize all initiatives in the promotion of Ignatian Spirituality as a common ministry.
• To give the Spiritual Exercises to both CLC and non-CLC members.
• To form lay guides to give the Spiritual Exercises.
• To assist the formation of the communities of teachers, alumnae, parents and students of CLC Schools in the Ignatian way.
• To spread Ignatian Spirituality on the parish level through giving retreats and running formation programmes
  

old_baby

takeshita 發表於 14-8-1 11:35
[size=14.857142448425293px]非常同意。我公司舊年請了幾個暑期工文員（好似中六等放榜），其中一個九華一個DXS, 後者自視過高很多低級少少工作都唔肯做。九華個男仔外表睇來比較樸素乜都肯做，又幫埋隔離位同事清潔抬面。有日外籍老闆秘書冇番工，一番來就叫個DXS入房幫手清潔，點知佢用流利嘅英文講，乜公司唔係請我番來做寫字樓工作咩？佢下午就唔見咗人。（係炒咗唔係自己辭職。）
[size=14.857142448425293px]雖然個別例子，不過感受都好深。

只可以話個DXS仔唔夠down to earth, 唔鐘意做dirty job. 原因可能係本身家境較好, 唔捱慣粗重等等........應唔多關學校事. 你可能見一個草根家庭band3學校的學生好刻苦耐勞, 唔通又話因為間學校好?
用呢類行為去斷定學校好壞, 我唔多贊成.

我所認識人之中, 曾經有醉酒打架的喇x仔, 經常召妓的SPCC仔, 爛口爛舌的QC仔, 爛賭的St. Louis仔, 煙不離手的華仁仔, 上麻雀館的QE仔, 濫交的DGS女...........so what?

王家爸爸

old_baby 發表於 14-8-1 15:34
只可以話個DXS仔唔夠down to earth, 唔鐘意做dirty job. 原因可能係本身家境較好等等........應唔多關學校 ...

同意，不能以偏蓋全。樹大有枯枝，族大有乞兒。

jandtfamily

有D家長不嬲都對某些學校或事物有偏見架啦！做人不是要客觀D嗎？

jandtfamily

有些人喜將個別例子來放大，好容易被人覺得像玩針對和太偏見呢！

takeshita

old_baby 發表於 14-8-1 15:34
只可以話個DXS仔唔夠down to earth, 唔鐘意做dirty job. 原因可能係本身家境較好, 唔捱慣粗重等等........ ...

"經常召妓的SPCC仔,上麻雀館的QE仔, 濫交的DGS女......."

先生，請問你係做盛行架？

jandtfamily

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