「死亡之卷」中文科又再毀掉近半考生大學夢

judy

尋日睇明報個分析，今屆真正俾中文累到入唔到大學既人數(即其他科達標、只有中文累事)，大概有一成，同蘋果所謂既毀掉近半考生大學夢係天淵之別。

咪係，够有人英文唔達標入唔到大學啦。

係小雜那里，eviepa話一嗰學生，VA 5**，英文唔達標。奇怪冇人覺得有問題。

DD仔

大学找到至劲的人才读对的学系重要些，还是整个社会被考试带动，藉此让中文地位抬头重要些？

judy

因為大學專業課程，用英文為主，同中文有咩關？

同中文有咩關？當然無關啦！

英文嘅嘢，浸浸吓就得啦。別忘記呢個世界大把翻澤。絕大部分學生(就算英文達標)，用嘅都係中文思考，英文達唔達標，(很多科目)對學生最大的影響，大概係考得唔高分而已。

大學收甚麽學生，當然是能力高的學生。英文是能力、中文是能力、數學是能力.....英文能力和中文能力考慮中，前者更受家庭背景和環境影響，後者更能突出本身能力。

ANChan59

原帖由 tcmsung 於 14-07-16 發表
I share your view strongly。

所以好想知教局裏面，邊班人主理 DSE 中文科，他們的背景，在那裡受教育等 ...

考評局機會高些！

chun媽

原帖由 naughtybj 於 14-07-17 發表
今年有6,759名日校考生英文科達3級或以上，但中文科卻低於3級，不符升讀資助大學學位資格。升大學無望的考 ...

可惜，可惜!
其實，中文卷真是比英文卷難，因為中文是母語的關係，出卷的要求比英文高，英文好多時在於應用的層次，而中文則要求理解，分析，欣賞的層次，所以中文卷真係難D

judy

最慘係分析，欣賞的層次上面答題往往無固定答案，結果大家都o係度捕風捉影，根本無從入手

捕風捉影，即係唔識啦。分析，欣賞唔係咁虛無啫。

所謂各花入各眼，最基本嘅條件，都係要有花先得。

bakusensei

johnnywalker 發表於 14-7-17 14:09
另一個大家可以思考既問題係,中又好英又好,都係拉curve,中文卷就算點深,年年合格率都係同英文差唔多,即係話 ...

Well, I am afraid we cannot simply use "拉curve" to describe the standard setting. Please refer to http://www.hkeaa.edu.hk/DocLibrary/Media/Leaflets/HKDSE_SRR_A4_Booklet_Jun2011.pdf  which was recap below for your easier reference:

Part 5
"The HKEAA adopts a strategy that combines the benefits of both expert judgment and statistical methods. Experts make use of statistical recommendations and other reference data to make the most robust decisions possible in cut score determination. In principle, the standards of all HKDSE subjects in the 2012 examination will be set with reference to the level descriptors and actual performance of candidates in the examination. To support experts' decision making, different statistical techniques will be applied to different subjects to produce recommended cut scores. The methodologies are as follows:

Core subjects
In setting standards for the four HKDSE core subjects －Chinese Language, English Language, Mathematics and Liberal Studies, reference will be made to the actual performance of candidates in the 2012 HKDSE Examination in relation to: the level descriptors; the standards of candidates in the 2011 Hong Kong Advanced Level (HKAL) Examination; the standards of candidates in the 2010 Hong Kong Certificate of Education (HKCE) Examination.

In order to provide some background information about standards in the HKDSE and previous HKCE/HKAL examinations, secure monitoring tests for the core subjects were administered to samples of HKCE school candidates in 2010 and HKAL school candidates in 2011. The same monitoring tests will also be administered to a selected sample of candidates sitting the 2012 HKDSE Examination. In the first administration, the statistical data from the monitoring tests will help provide some linkage of the standards in the HKDSE and the previous HKCE and HKAL examinations.The panel of judges will refer to the following information in making their decisions on cut scores: marked live scripts, selected according to total marks; inter-paper correlations, the mean and standard deviation of the current year's papers; paper mark cumulative distributions; feedback from markers on the level of difficulty of each particular examination paper; performance samples from the HKDSE SRR Information Packages; HKAL and HKCE papers and library scripts from 2011 and 2010 examinations respectively."

Part 6:
"Once set, the standards need to be maintained in subsequent years starting from 2013 so that results are comparable across years. "

Separately, you may wish to note that for elective subjects, "a group ability index (GAI) will be used as a reference for grading elective subjects. The GAI is a set of percentages generated statistically for obtaining a suggested set of cut scores. For a group of candidates taking a specifi c elective subject, a GAI can be calculated for each level based on the number of candidates in this group achieving that level in the four core subjects."

lawsonmoon

中文如果都像英文一樣,有一個類似IELTS般比較有公信力既公開試就好了。學生可報考,給大學和僱主多一個參考,看看是學生有問題or中文出卷那班友有問題。正如英文好多攞二級既人,去考IELTS都拿到高分的話,咁這班出英文卷既人,係咪應該被羞辱一吓。其實傳媒已羞辱過中文那班人,叫引文既作者試考,結果很低分！