Sharing of IB vs NSS

ANChan59

slamai 發表於 11-11-10 18:14
ANChan59

I've marked my suggestion in your last post below. While QFin as a 2nd choice for CUHK is  ...

slamai
The final choices, my son took QFin as second choice in CUHK and BBA in HKUST, he got both offers and he ultimately got into CUHK.

In his CUHK personal statement, 60% medic, 40% QFin. Medic doesn't care in interview, but QFin did care about that.

ANChan59

1100jj

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Dear ANchan, I would greatly appreciate if you could kindly PM the english centres concerned. Many thanks!

wilsonyeung813

As a 2014 IB graduate (and also a DSE escaper lol), I would like to add something. IB curriculum (in terms of the breath, the toughness of the courses) is probably a little harder then NSS. For example, maths SL teaches lots of stuffs that are not taught in DSE core maths, for example, Calculus, and some stats and probability stuffs. However, IB examination is probably more straight forward then DSE exam results. One great example is maths SL exam questions. Honestly I suck at maths. I got less then 40 marks in my F4 Maths final exam (in a declining traditional famous boys' school). I got a 3 in IB1 maths mock exam. But I got a 7 at the end simply by practicing the past papers over and over and over and over and over again. Seriously, for some subjects, practice makes perfect. The 2014 IB maths questions are rly similar to questions from 2009-2013.. The point i wanna add is, IB exam questions are less tricky then DSE exam questions.

Obviously, the IB coursework is much more rigorous then NSS. U CAN JUST HEA IN NSS F4-F5. like there are loads and loads of internal assessments to hand in, sometimes over 3 per week. holy shit.... but it is similar to university workload (as i heard, not sure). so it does prepare us for university.

Another point about university admission, the probability of getting into top 3 (in HK) normal courses (like arts, science, social science, normal business, engineering) BY TAKING IB is much higher then taking DSE. for example, for HKU social science (which i will be studying in next 4 yrs), the offer is only around 36. (which is only an average score in HK) BUT, for the god subjects like medicine, i don't think its easier. U need around 43 points for HKU med, for example. 43 points is like 99% percentile. This means HKU med admits top 1% of IB student. We also have to take account into the fact that IB schools are ON AVERAGE harder to get in a AVERAGE SCHOOL in HK. Also, socio-economic status is related to intelligence, and possibly examination results (don't rly wanna bring in this pt as it seems socially-sensitive and possibly offensive to some ppl, but i do think its true to a large extent, with more educational resources + genetic factors). Therefore, the IB candidate field is prolly tougher then DSE candidate field. Furthermore, non-jupas focuses more on non-acadamic stuffs (esp for god subjects) like ECA, personal statement, and interview performances. So the point i try to make is that, to get into god subjects of top 3 (uni in HK), taking IB isn't easier then DSE.

Another good thing bout taking IB is, even if ur predicted grades aren't high (like less then 33 i say), u can still get into very top university in canada and aus. Example, UBC, admits students with even around 26-27 points for some programs (which is considered redic low in HK). Melbourne U admits students with 25-28 points for some programs.. the lists are so long i don wanna list all out. If your child wants to go to aus and canada, taking IB is A MUCH BETTER OPTION THEN DSE (assuming u can afford the expense tuition fee in IB obv)..

40millions

Dear AN Chan 59, May I ask you the name ofthose 2 tutorial centres you mentioned in the post?  B y the way...Im a dad of 2 kids. The older brother is studing in international school and I am planning their future education. I need your advice. Thank you

ANChan59

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Wilson, after a year in HKU, what's your comment on the IB program give better preparation to the university and acquire more or better knowledge?

gordon12

Dear ANChan59,

May I have the details of the two tutorial centres.
Thanks in advance.

wilsonyeung813

ANChan59 發表於 15-6-23 11:55
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Wilson, after a year in HKU, what's your comment on the IB program give  ...

Ya IB is really useful for uni prep. ESP for social science, there are lots of essays / mini research papers, similar to EE in IB.

ANChan59

wilsonyeung813 發表於 15-7-24 15:25
Ya IB is really useful for uni prep. ESP for social science, there are lots of essays / mini researc ...

Great, good for you.

JB2003

Dear AnChan59,

I also want to know the name of the two tutorial centres also. Kindly PM me.  Thanks !

JB2003

Dear AnChan59:
I also want to know the name of the two tutorial centres also. Kindly PM me.  Thanks !

JB2003

Dear AnChan59:
I also want to know the name of the two tutorial centres also. Kindly PM me.  Thanks !

winsonleung

Dear AnChan59,

I would like to have the details of tutorial centres.   Pls pm me as well.
Thank you.

ANChan59

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Those info are outdated. You better ask other parents.

workingmom

經non-jupas 入大學肯定着數得多:
1. JUPAS 收生分數要公開披露，為保名聲 ，院校都不願收DSE低分學生，空位都由Non-JUPAS 學生補上。
2. 香港IB 狀元 = 18/2000 = ~1%
DSE 狀元 = 4/66000 = ~0.01%
3. GCE A-Level 的 A* 一般是~10%, further Maths 有28%
4. Non-JUPAS 報名是以大學為單位，不同大學個別收生，互不影響。學生可同時有數個offer, 慢慢再揀院校。

Radiomama

workingmom 發表於 16-7-14 17:07
經non-jupas 入大學肯定着數得多:
1. JUPAS 收生分數要公開披露，為保名聲 ，院校都不願收DSE低分學生，空 ...

睇唔到為何考IB 或經NON JUPAS是著數。

更正一點，今年香港考IB是約二千人，不是二萬人，這群學生的背景都是來自中產家庭，有不少是精英，他們考得好成績是有其原因的。只比較數字，不反映現實。

ANChan59

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My two cents:


1. JUPAS 收生分數要公開披露，為保名聲 ，院校都不願收DSE低分學生，空位都由Non-JUPAS 學生補上。


NJ students come from different backgrounds, like AD, HD, graduates, GCEAL, IB, BTEC, SAT, AP  etc. Some NJ candidates had proper qualifications to get CO or UCO before HKDSE released the exam results, no need to mention JUPAS results, your last phrase is incorrect.


You can imagine the complexity, how to present the table of NJ results? 1st class honour of Cambridge, is it the same as XX University in Philippines? So GPA, 3.5 from the former one is weaker than the 4.0 from the latter university ....???


For AD or HD, different students from different colleges or IVE, have the same GPA may have different portfolio of electives and majors, how to present in a table.


Is it mean the admission office don't have data ? No, they have, but difficult to present.


If you have time, you can look at the DSE admission score tables, different University has different presentation, different weighting of cores and electives. Sometimes we need to read the small print very carefully.

2. 香港IB 狀元 = 18/2000 = ~1%
    DSE 狀元 = 4/66000 = ~0.01%


I am not sure its a fair comparison or not, DSE based on the total number of students, but IB just use the number of HK students. I suggest to use the total population of both cases, 300000+ instead of 2000. ~0.3%.


Use medical school as reference, JUPAS top 1.5% can get in, no need to have 狀元 ..... for NJ, normally top 0.5%. 狀元 is not a good comparison in elite and most programs.

4. Non-JUPAS 報名是以大學為單位，不同大學個別收生，互不影響。學生可同時有數個offer, 慢慢再揀院校。



I explained in (1), as NJ is for other qualifications outside HKDSE, most universities and programs need to evaluate the students results and performance case by case, like a graduate from Bio-Tech and apply for MBBS, not just the grades but also related to credit exemptions. Similar case for HD and AD, depends on the overall GPA and strength of individual subjects, students can have credit exemption and can get into 2nd year or 3rd year.


Off course you can hold more than one offer, but you need to pay HK$10,000 per offer. I only paid once for insurance offer.


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If you really interested in the difference between JUPAS and NJ admissions, go to any university's information day, listen to the two seminars and ask right questions, you will have correct info to make correct decision. Too many false and or twisted info in EK about NJ.


In those seminars, most of your questions are explained in details.

slamai

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"Use medical school as reference, JUPAS top 1.5% can get in ..... for NJ, normally top 0.5%."

Please enlighten us how you have come up with the above figures for easy reference.

ANChan59

slamai 發表於 16-8-17 13:10
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"Use medical school as reference, JUPAS top 1.5% can get in ..... for NJ, norm ...

I attended the information day of CUHK for three years, in the MBChB sessions, the professors in charge of admission shown that in the presentations.

It's applicable for CUHK only, for HKU, NJ can be lower than 0.5%.

ANChan59

My son will complete QFin within a few weeks, I will spend some time to write up the observations and comments from my son related to IB curriculum and learning style in the university.

Jenny

ANChan59 發表於 17-4-13 02:16
My son will complete QFin within a few weeks, I will spend some time to write up the observations an ...

Dear AnChan59:

Would you mind PM me the name of the two tutorial centres. Thanks !

Cheers,
Jenny