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作者: eit2003 時間: 22-10-10 13:33 標題: 漢基和 ISF的問題
求教，為什麼CIS和 ISF的 ib成績和uni admission表現只差很少，但普遍被認為是不同級數？
作者: poonseelai 時間: 22-10-10 14:13 標題: 回覆樓主:
比較兩間學校唔係只睇這兩點掛
作者: Youweird 時間: 22-10-10 21:30
eit2003 發表於 22-10-10 13:33 
求教，為什麼CIS和 ISF的 ib成績和uni admission表現只差很少，但普遍被認為是不同級數？ ...
作者: iseatrit2013 時間: 22-10-10 22:43
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CIS/HKIS/ISF/GSIS are recongized as the same tierwhile CIS VS ISF is old money VS new money,
作者: SISian 時間: 22-10-11 08:14
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In terms of chance to get in the school, only CIS/GSIS are at the same league. The other 2 are much more easy to get a spot.
But in terms of academic, it depends of your child suitability
作者: sxd 時間: 22-10-11 12:32
今年isf成績係好過cis嘅，仲要年年雙語文憑都有超過/接近70%，係學術方面來計，isf唔會差過任何一間國際學校，但cis能提供更多元更國際嘅體驗。以我嘅理解，今時今日嘅isf，唔會同cis或者gsis分唔同級數。
作者: SISian 時間: 22-10-11 14:13
我嘅意思係只係看重難入程度CIS / GSIS因為篩選原因所以難入
至於級數，我覺得其實普遍香港嘅國際學校間間都差不多，冇話高級低級，只有適唔適合
作者: sxd 時間: 22-10-11 14:28
以sibling來講，cis嘅priority係好用過isf好多好多。
作者: sxd 時間: 22-10-11 14:31
級數冇分別，就唔會出現某D食得挑剔腌臢，某D又食唔飽肚嘅情況。
作者: Adiezz 時間: 22-10-11 16:54
始終CIS係有歷史既國際學校，名氣一定會比ISF稍高，有得揀好多家長都會揀CIS
可能教學模式會有些少分別，但質素相信差唔多
作者: chunting34 時間: 22-10-11 19:00
eit2003 發表於 22-10-10 13:33
求教，為什麼CIS和 ISF的 ib成績和uni admission表現只差很少，但普遍被認為是不同級數？ ...
你講開又好似係，大家都係IB同雙語，學費應該都差不多，不過好似淨係聽過ISF轉去CIS，無聽過調返轉
作者: SISian 時間: 22-10-12 07:15
熱門程度係有分別，普遍都係用IB成績排熱門程度
但係IB成績最低分嗰間，級數係咪好低？我又唔覺得
作者: yummyicecream 時間: 22-10-12 12:15
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今年CIS有11個狀元，average score 都高，只不過比較低調， ISF今年IB成績冇好過CIS，只不過ISF今年IB成績和University Placement都有大進步，終於有少少對得住佢嘅高學費。
作者: yummyicecream 時間: 22-10-12 12:27
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作者: sxd 時間: 22-10-12 12:52
同時身為isf和cis嘅家長，可以話兩間學校都有各自捐款作法，cis處理方法冇咁push，isf係要求每個學生賣一本獎券，冇話要求賣至少幾本，更加冇每一班整一面牆鬥邊個學生捐得多。
作者: yummyicecream 時間: 22-10-12 12:58
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sxd 發表於 22-10-12 12:52
同時身為isf和cis嘅家長，可以話兩間學校都有各自捐款作法，cis處理方法冇咁push，isf係要求每個學生賣一本 ...
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作者: sxd 時間: 22-10-12 13:06
yummyicecream 發表於 22-10-12 12:58
唔係鬥邊個捐得多，係捐特定數額，會寫小朋友個名上去
小女讀咗成6年，我從來都未見過課室牆壁會mark低學生名同捐款數額，你親眼所見？如果唔係鬥邊個捐得多，有咩理由要咁樣做？
作者: yummyicecream 時間: 22-10-12 13:20
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sxd 發表於 22-10-12 13:06
小女讀咗成6年，我從來都未見過課室牆壁會mark低學生名同捐款數額，你親眼所見？如果唔係鬥邊個捐得多，有 ...
作者: sxd 時間: 22-10-12 13:28
yummyicecream 發表於 22-10-12 13:20
Keep it on the chill, lady! It happened last year in pre-school. It’s not a wall inside each classr ...
冇讀過pre-school，冇入去過睇過，唔會發表評論。但每一班整一面牆係你自己頭先所講，唔係有人屈你！
作者: 964000 時間: 22-10-12 13:38
yummyicecream 發表於 22-10-12 12:27
ISF最令人垢病的就是高學費但課室非常細，而且佢要求家長捐錢的做法。一般國際學校每年都會send電郵給家長 ...
其實ISF真係唔係國際學校，理念作風都唔似，佢係一間雙語IB私校，我覺得介乎IS同local之間，睇吓家長想要咩野。
我初初都以為係一間”多中文的IS”，但參完小學，發現唔係，因為小朋友本身在IS有得比較就知道，所以参观學校係好重要。
不過如果對中文要求高又唔想入LS，相信ISF都係一個選擇，相對CIS易入，中文要求亦更高。
至於級數呢啲野，自己覺得有就有覺得冇就冇
在心中
作者: yummyicecream 時間: 22-10-12 13:39
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sxd 發表於 22-10-12 13:28
冇讀過pre-school，冇入去過睇過，唔會發表評論。但每一班整一面牆係你自己頭先所講，唔係有人屈你！
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作者: sxd 時間: 22-10-12 13:46
yummyicecream 發表於 22-10-12 13:39
Interesting! What I meant was the kids’ names were not randomly put on the wall. They were put ac ...
本帖最後由 sxd 於 22-10-12 13:47 編輯
冷靜D！酸得來
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作者: yummyicecream 時間: 22-10-12 13:53
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sxd 發表於 22-10-12 13:46
本帖最後由 sxd 於 22-10-12 13:47 編輯
冷靜D！酸得來
作者: sxd 時間: 22-10-12 14:01
yummyicecream 發表於 22-10-12 13:53
我幫你接埋落去：
For the Encyclopedia Britannica, the English-language origins of STEAM began in t ...
所以你接埋落來嘅重點呢？如果我有幫isf發聲，我就唔夠資格做cis家長？定係學校通告證明亦都唔到我嘅家長身分，需要其他證據？
作者: yummyicecream 時間: 22-10-12 14:06
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sxd 發表於 22-10-12 14:01
所以你接埋落來嘅重點呢？如果我有幫isf發聲，我就唔夠資格做cis家長？定係學校通告證明亦都唔到我嘅家長 ...
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作者: yummyicecream 時間: 22-10-12 14:06
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sxd 發表於 22-10-12 14:01
所以你接埋落來嘅重點呢？如果我有幫isf發聲，我就唔夠資格做cis家長？定係學校通告證明亦都唔到我嘅家長 ...
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作者: sxd 時間: 22-10-12 14:11
yummyicecream 發表於 22-10-12 14:06
我諗你唔係reception上去嘅家長，如果我係你，我會delete晒頭先嘅comment，同埋我真係忍唔住想問你一句：你 ...
d評論有咩唔妥，邊d唔真實？你話每一班整一面牆，我覆你冇見過；你跟住話上年響pre-school發生，我話冇讀過冇入去過，唔發表評論。我一個字都冇講過我係由recep升上去，大家盡可以翻睇。
作者: sxd 時間: 22-10-12 14:13
yummyicecream 發表於 22-10-12 14:06
我頭先係將你嘅email嘅內容再接埋落去，畫公仔唔使畫出腸
所以呢？你祝我小朋友可以被cis取錄，我出家長通告多謝你關心，不過不必了，有咩問題？
作者: yummyicecream 時間: 22-10-12 14:14
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sxd 發表於 22-10-12 14:11
d評論有咩唔妥，邊d唔真實？你話每一班整一面牆，我覆你冇見過；你跟住話上年響pre-school發生，我話冇讀 ...
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作者: tingtingting 時間: 22-10-12 14:19
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yummyicecream 發表於 22-10-12 12:58
唔係鬥邊個捐得多，係捐特定數額，會寫小朋友個名上去
I have been an ISP parent for 14 years (consecutively to be precise, 10 years with my first kid and 4 years with my second) and can say that the rumour, which for some reasons has been repeated again and again and again is simply not true.
作者: tingtingting 時間: 22-10-12 14:42
本帖最後由 tingtingting 於 22-10-13 09:43 編輯
It's actually quite interesting that ISF manages to become a school that is comparable to (not necessarily on par with though) some "old money" elite schools like CIS and GCIS within so short a time. Our elder kid used to attend another elite IS on the Island side. We were happy with the school but there was a problem - our kid refused to speak Chinese and had shown a tendency to think everything Western by default is superior. We wanted our kids to be truly open-minded and be able to speak and write both English and Chinese at native level (I strongly think it is such a waste to grow up in HK without mastering the two languages), and we looked around. We had a meeting with Shirley Lee, the then Head of ISF and were convinced. Although ISF was very new and had no track record, we decided to give it a try. Why not? After all there are so many good schools in this world and we can always make another switch if things went wrong with ISF (actually our kid was still on CIS's wait list). For reasons I can't understand, our decision to leave the other elite IS triggered a wave of "concerns" or even criticisms from other parents. They came to us and asked why, are you mad, and challenged us with ideas like it is impossible to achieve real native proficiency in two languages, ISF is too "Chur", it has no track record, the admin is bad, blablabla. Looking back, with respect, it seems to me that their concerns were associated with panic and insecurity. They fear that their kids might be left behind if other kids are able to become excellent at both English and Chinese, they fear that they have made the wrong choices ...
The switch to ISF is a good move, I can proudly announce.
作者: tingtingting 時間: 22-10-12 14:47
ISF has its haters. I can understand why.
作者: iseatrit2013 時間: 22-10-12 23:33
tingtingting 發表於 22-10-12 14:42
It's actually quite interesting that ISF manages to become a school that is comparable to (not neces ...
thanks for your sharing.
作者: chunting34 時間: 22-10-13 09:39
sxd 發表於 22-10-12 12:52
同時身為isf和cis嘅家長，可以話兩間學校都有各自捐款作法，cis處理方法冇咁push，isf係要求每個學生賣一本 ...
你覺得CIS和ISF在課程設計、老師質素、管理或其他方面有什麽分別呀？我對雙語學校有興趣，很難得找到家長同時是這兩間學校的用家呢，謝謝你 
作者: chunting34 時間: 22-10-13 09:41
tingtingting 發表於 22-10-12 14:42
It's actually quite interesting that ISF manages to become a school that is comparable to (not neces ...
Thank you for sharing! 
作者: sxd 時間: 22-10-13 10:33
chunting34 發表於 22-10-13 09:39
你覺得CIS和ISF在課程設計、老師質素、管理或其他方面有什麽分別呀？我對雙語學校有興趣，很難得找到家長 ...
cis嘅校園文化更加多元、更加國際化，包容性更強。isf相比趨保守，但又完全唔可以話好似local果D。
課程設計差別主要就係中文，其它分別唔大，但聽聞中學科目會比isf豐富，等學生有更多機會搵到自己擅長或有興趣嘅科目同方向。老師質素好睇彩數，isf中文勁過cis好多之餘，其它科目成績亦都唔輸賒。
cis嘅社區、家校聯繫緊密過isf，比較傳統 is感覺，家長有更多機會參與到學校同小朋友的互動成長。
如果認為國際學校應該得主力教英文一種模式，或者覺得中文多、中文勁就唔夠國際化，應該唔適合去讀isf。但就算cis都強調自己係東西方文化嘅橋樑，希望培養出中英文皆佳嘅小朋友。
作者: Kim2000 時間: 22-10-13 14:54
sxd 發表於 22-10-13 10:33
cis嘅校園文化更加多元、更加國際化，包容性更強。isf相比趨保守，但又完全唔可以話好似local果D。
課程 ...
作者: mandy_ng207 時間: 22-10-13 15:02
sxd 發表於 22-10-11 14:28
以sibling來講，cis嘅priority係好用過isf好多好多。
我有兩個朋友，小朋友同年，兩人都有younger siblings，一個揀ISF因貪佢Chinese curriculum 好，一個揀CIS因貪佢sibling priority。
不過佢哋居住地點都係近番自己揀嗰間，可能呢個都係原因。
作者: aray2 時間: 22-10-13 18:01
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請問 ISF 和 CIS 的 sibling priority 有所不同嗎？謝謝！
作者: chunting34 時間: 22-10-14 18:14
sxd 發表於 22-10-13 10:33
cis嘅校園文化更加多元、更加國際化，包容性更強。isf相比趨保守，但又完全唔可以話好似local果D。
課程 ...
多謝你詳細的分享，原來ISF的中文水平比CIS還要高。好佩服小朋友中文英文都咁叻
作者: eit2003 時間: 22-10-14 18:39
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對，中英文都好不容易。
不過我都係鍾意CIS多啲
ISF 聽聞好chur，好多功課，請問是否確實如此？
作者: Kim2000 時間: 22-10-15 13:07
eit2003 發表於 22-10-14 18:39
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對，中英文都好不容易。
作者: sumyau1012 時間: 23-2-5 00:10
isf2月中出小一offer,想問下留位費是多少。謝謝
作者: 菠蘿媽媽 時間: 23-2-6 15:30
SISian 發表於 22-10-11 14:13
我嘅意思係只係看重難入程度CIS / GSIS因為篩選原因所以難入
至於級數，我覺得其實普遍香港嘅國際學校間間 ...
GSIS 會prefer邊類型考生呢？
作者: MandyLam22 時間: 23-9-30 06:57
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ISF Chinese curriculum is extremely tough and some may say unnecessarily so! There are not many schools, let alone IS, that run equally demanding Chinese curriculum that makes lateral transfer to ISF feasible. If you want your kid to be mainland level proficient in spoken and written mandarin since primary, ISF is probably the only choice.
Another key reason why students may eventually want to switch to CIS, GSIS and HKIS in more senior years is that these last 3 schools are much more established and have better channels to place students in the Ivy leagues. Despite the IB results of ISF/CIS/GSIS being quite similar, you stand a much better chance of getting into Ivy Leagues with CIS HKIS and GSIS. That said, with the US universities now running policies that are restrictive in terms of taking in students from China/HK and this situation is unlikely to ease in the foreseeable future, query the decision to bank on Ivy league admissions unless you're a US passport holder.
There are also key differences in the characters of students from CIS/HKIS/ISF and GSIS. GSIS students are generally the most academically oriented. HKIS/CIS students especially those from senior years are more loud and brash whereas ISF students are generally more modest and reserved. You notice that behavior especially at places like the AMC where you normally see congregations of these students and they behave very differently. Good and bad, depends on how you want your kid grow up to be. As a joke, if you are a Huawei user, ISF. If you are an Apple supporter, CIS and HKIS, both being very American styled institutions. GSIS for the academically strongest and has an European incline.
作者: 73662710 時間: 23-10-2 16:10
MandyLam22 發表於 23-9-30 06:57
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ISF Chinese curriculum is extremely tough and some may say unnecessarily so! ...
作者: eit2003 時間: 23-10-3 07:46
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MandyLam22 發表於 23-9-30 06:57
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ISF Chinese curriculum is extremely tough and some may say unnecessarily so! ...
There are really slim chances for those HK Students (LSs Especially) who are targeted in Ivy Leagues or Top-Tier US Schools. Compared to UK Unis such as Cambridge
作者: 964000 時間: 23-10-3 08:25
eit2003 發表於 23-10-3 07:46
There are really slim chances for those HK Students (LSs Especially) who are targeted in Ivy League ...
本帖最後由 964000 於 23-10-3 15:26 編輯
Part of the reason is due to the different requirements if you target UK vs US top unies. For UK you just need to focus in academic and maybe one or two related ECA.
For US you need to be really all round in sports, charities, leadership etc and being presentable, which are not the strengths of HK LS students.
If you have only 24 hr a day, you need to decide which way to go and how to allocate your time. My friends in US who target Ivies are all spending a lot of time in sports and charities, science projects etc rather than just attending tutorials and academics.
作者: Youweird 時間: 23-10-3 10:42
我又要多嘴了：双母语几乎就是伪概念。如果从小致力于培养小朋友双母语，长大后99%的结果就是无母语：两个语言一个都学不到母语的程度。
作者: sxd 時間: 23-10-3 19:23
ISF比較不那麼國際，太過重視學術，我個人覺得有點壓抑，當然它依然是非常優秀的學校。
作者: peter1 時間: 23-10-3 20:23
Youweird 發表於 23-10-3 10:42
我又要多嘴了：双母语几乎就是伪概念。如果从小致力于培养小朋友双母语，长大后99%的结果就是无母语：两个 ...
作者: Adiezz 時間: 23-10-3 21:57
Youweird 發表於 23-10-3 10:42
我又要多嘴了：双母语几乎就是伪概念。如果从小致力于培养小朋友双母语，长大后99%的结果就是无母语：两个 ...
香港的雙語學校是母語外語並重，而不是以雙母語以目標。除非家庭有長期用兩種語言，一般不能做到雙母語。如果家庭語言不是英語但過份側重英文，的確有可能影響母語發展
作者: 73662710 時間: 23-10-3 22:36
Adiezz 發表於 23-10-3 21:57
香港的雙語學校是母語外語並重，而不是以雙母語以目標。除非家庭有長期用兩種語言，一般不能做到雙母語。 ...
作者: 73662710 時間: 23-10-3 22:38
sxd 發表於 23-10-3 19:23
ISF比較不那麼國際，太過重視學術，我個人覺得有點壓抑，當然它依然是非常優秀的學校。
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作者: poonseelai 時間: 23-10-3 23:05
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73662710 發表於 23-10-3 22:38
請問ISF容許學生考Chinese B嗎？我見每年有大約70% bilingual.
https://academy.isf.edu.hk/index.php/learning/ugc-mission-statement/school-profile/
yes, Chinese B HL, please check course offerings
作者: 73662710 時間: 23-10-3 23:41
本帖最後由 73662710 於 23-10-4 00:05 編輯
Thank you very much your reply.
It only mentions English A and B, but neither A nor B is mentioned about Chinese.
As 70% are bilingual graduates, therefore either English B or Chinese B should be allowed.
As Chinese B HL is offered, is Chinese B SL offered too?
https://academy.isf.edu.hk/index.php/learning/middle-years-programme/diploma-programme/#1615451947310-bf8003af-b3e0
作者: poonseelai 時間: 23-10-4 07:04
本帖最後由 poonseelai 於 23-10-4 09:36 編輯
73662710 發表於 23-10-3 23:41
Thank you very much your reply.
It only mentions English A and B, but neither A nor B is mentioned ...
"language acquisition"means language B
"language and literature" means language A
The profile only shows Chinese B HL.
Bilingual MYP Certificate
I just noted in the school profile that "73% of all students received the Bilingual MYP Certificate". This could be something new as I have not heard of a bilingual MYP certificate.
作者: Erminator 時間: 23-10-25 01:22
MandyLam22 發表於 23-9-30 06:57
回覆 chunting34 的帖子
ISF Chinese curriculum is extremely tough and some may say unnecessarily so! ...
作者: kfy 時間: 23-10-26 04:54
本帖最後由 kfy 於 23-10-26 04:55 編輯
poonseelai 發表於 23-10-4 07:04
"language acquisition"means language B
"language and literature" means language A
Bilingual MYP Certificate 是考 MYP eAssessment 的證書：
The IB MYP Bilingual Certificate is awarded to candidates who also achieve an IB-validated grade 3 or higher in:• two language and literature courses or• a course in any MYP subject group (other than Language acquisition), or interdisciplinary learning, or the personal project, in a response language that is not the same as that chosen language and literature.
ISF G10 學生都會考 MYP eAssessment，只要是 MYP 時修讀 Chin A 和 Eng A, 都會有這證書。
作者: poonseelai 時間: 23-10-26 09:52
kfy 發表於 23-10-26 04:54
Bilingual MYP Certificate 是考 MYP eAssessment 的證書：
The IB MYP Bilingual Certificate is awarde ...
thank you.
for those who don't have bilingual cert, do they take eng B?
作者: kfy 時間: 23-10-27 19:21
poonseelai 發表於 23-10-26 09:52
thank you.
for those who don't have bilingual cert, do they take eng B?
作者: poonseelai 時間: 23-10-28 07:04
kfy 發表於 23-10-27 19:21
根據 Bilingual MYP Cert 的 criteria，我估計攞不到 bilingual cert 的應該是 Chin B。因為其他科目的 eAs ...
咁DP 公布的bilingual diploma % 是否也包括chi a and Eng b, 而不是全部兩種語文也是A？
作者: kfy 時間: 23-10-28 17:53
poonseelai 發表於 23-10-28 07:04
咁DP 公布的bilingual diploma % 是否也包括chi a and Eng b, 而不是全部兩種語文也是A？
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係呀，係同一邏輯。
如果計 Bilingual diploma 依家已不是什麼強項或特別，所有 offer IB 嘅 local school 應該是 9 成以上 Bilingual diploma 啦。
作者: poonseelai 時間: 23-10-28 18:15
kfy 發表於 23-10-28 17:53
係呀，係同一邏輯。
如果計 Bilingual diploma 依家已不是什麼強項或特別，所有 offer IB 嘅 local school ...
唔.......睇下你的期望是什麼，我期望是兩個語文A，雖然明白chi a + Eng b在 ibo定義也是bilingual diploma, anyway, thank you
作者: eit2003 時間: 23-10-29 14:29
kfy 發表於 23-10-28 17:53
係呀，係同一邏輯。
如果計 Bilingual diploma 依家已不是什麼強項或特別，所有 offer IB 嘅 local school ...
作者: supervi 時間: 23-11-20 09:42
本帖最後由 supervi 於 23-11-20 09:46 編輯
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