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作者: yumiee 時間: 13-7-1 07:15 標題: 應學英國還是美國英文

我地以前一向學開英國英文.

但近年都流行學美語. 小女三歲.發現英美文其實差好遠.幫她選教具時要作決定.

對我來說當然英文容易聽些.但已脫離英國的我們.係咪學返美語比較合適呢?

請比些意見.

現在香港用英式英文多還是美式英文多呢?

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-7-1 10:45 標題: 引用：我地以前一向學開英國英文. 但近年都流行

原帖由 yumiee 於 13-07-01 發表
我地以前一向學開英國英文.

但近年都流行學美語. 小女三歲.發現英美文其實差好遠.幫她選教具時要作決定.

唔係話揀就揀。那種英文你更易支援孩子？親人，老師，媒體，學校？

作者: ANChan59 時間: 13-7-1 11:24 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+yumiee+於+13-07-01+發表我地

原帖由 shadeslayer 於 13-07-01 發表
唔係話揀就揀。那種英文你更易支援孩子？親人，老師，媒體，學校？

有道理，要看配套！

後生時好在意英式或美式，現在就在電腦設定後，英式就英式！

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-7-1 20:04 標題: 引用：Quote:原帖由+shadeslayer+於+13-07-01+發

原帖由 ANChan59 於 13-07-01 發表
有道理，要看配套！

後生時好在意英式或美式，現在就在電腦設定後，英式就英式！

其實香港太容易接觸不同地區的人及事物，學純一類英文口音不易。但也要留意一致性，同一句一個字英音，一個字美音就好怪。

作者: yumiee 時間: 13-7-2 07:36

其實自問英文能力有限，主要支援都係一些媒體，我就是在選揀媒體上不知如何選。是否兩樣都比佢接觸好呢

而老師方面加拿大美國英國都試過。聽落去真係好唔同。

作者: hb12699 時間: 13-7-2 10:39 標題: 回覆：應學英國還是美國英文

有了基本的聽寫講的英文基本功，才分英式，美式，英文。

英文也有old english and new english .即中文的文言文，莎士彼亞那種（大部分國際課程也要修讀的課本和catcher in the rye之類的課本）
就算英國本土也有London accent 和 Scotland accent 之分。這是講和聽的少少分別。
其實只要有基本英語能力和繼續學習英語才去分目別類，比較合適。

再者有某部份英語隨時代有所修訂。所以在Oxford dictionary 經常修訂，再者要在Oxford or Cambridge 修讀英文是十分難入的。
分享本人的小小意見。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-7-2 13:58 標題: 引用：其實自問英文能力有限，主要支援都係一些媒

原帖由 yumiee 於 13-07-02 發表
其實自問英文能力有限，主要支援都係一些媒體，我就是在選揀媒體上不知如何選。是否兩樣都比佢接觸好呢

而 ...

你自己有冇分析過？

父母：（不説英文，英音，美音）
親戚：（不説英文，英音，美音）
家傭：（不説英文，英音，美音）
孩子朋友：（不説英文，英音，美音）
學校：（不一定，英音，美音）
同學：（不説英文，英音，美音）
你有access 的媒體：（不一定，英音，美音）
課外活動：（不説英文，英音，美音）

如果兩樣都有，應看你有 access 的是英多或美多。

其實香港好多澳洲人及曳視節目。

作者: fanfanbb 時間: 13-7-3 21:38

只要佢講得流利, 音準, 語法正確, 我認為英美都唔重要.

作者: fanfanbb 時間: 13-7-4 09:58

因為我地始終唔係native, 要講得一口流利英文已經難得. 我鄉村小學, local中學學, HKU social sciences, 英國讀左一年master, 近兩年老闆係英國人.

但係到而家我都講唔係流利英文. 其實語言環境好重要, 好多時係睇多唔多機會講同同d ? 人講.

作者: flashingcat 時間: 13-7-4 13:19

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其實好難控制, 好似我阿仔, 佢係美國出世到3歲, 本來係講美英, 返黎香港, K1 teacher: Candaian, K2 teacher: Scottish, Yr 1 teacher: Irish , 屋企爸爸講美英, 我同佢講美英+廣東話, 電視, 美英+ 澳英, 朋友: 英英, 美英, 澳英都有... 而家佢多數講英英, 偶爾彈句: Hey man, what's up? 美國朋友就話佢越黎越英英........係最近聽佢講water, 好明顯係數 Irish 口音....唉~ 咁你地話點控制呢?

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-7-4 15:19

Does it really matter? There are even different accents in the UK and US. As long as you are fluent, HK is international enough that you will run into many different accents.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-7-4 15:51 標題: 引用：回復+fanfanbb+的帖子其實好難控制,+好似

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其實好難控制, 好似我阿仔, 佢係美國出世到3歲, 本來係講美英, 返黎香港, K1 teache ...

唔講一句英，一句美，一句澳，大雜會咁咪 OK 囉。

作者: flashingcat 時間: 13-7-4 20:29

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我就係怕佢越黎越雜.....佢DADDY想轉佢去讀HKIS, 但條waitlist 長到呢............我老公最近同我講話香港人真有錢, 連學生都一人一部 iphone, ipad , 國際學校咁貴都要排長龍, 仲大把人爭, 佢話香港睇黎應該超越咗nyc. 其實我唔係好介意口音, 不過佢daddy 就想佢講番美英.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-7-4 22:36 標題: 引用：回復+shadeslayer+的帖子我就係怕佢越黎

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我就係怕佢越黎越雜.....佢DADDY想轉佢去讀HKIS, 但條waitlist 長到呢.......... ...

我諗好少lS可保持老師學生來源地／家庭能統一，Kellete and Harrow 可能真的比較英式. HKIS接近美式已很好了。

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-7-4 22:45

flashingcat 發表於 13-7-4 20:29
國際學校咁貴都要排長龍, 仲大把人爭, 佢話香港睇黎應該超越咗nyc

Can't really compare that way, because most New Yorkers don't avoid local schools like the plague {:1_1:}

作者: flashingcat 時間: 13-7-4 22:52

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可以咁講, 所以仲排緊HKIS, 但排到有位嘅時侯, 唔知洗唔洗又去第二度咯... 最幣係老公又唔係高層人仕, 係嘅話公司就會買位啦....中產真悲哀.

作者: luingan 時間: 13-7-5 13:13 標題: 回覆：FattyDaddy 的帖子

都唔係架，同香港差唔多，grade 5 要出去補習，爭入好嘅middle school, or move all the way to long island to find better public school there, 有錢個批送仔女去new england 區prep school, 學費仲貴過香港IS

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-7-5 13:34

luingan 發表於 13-7-5 13:13
都唔係架，同香港差唔多，grade 5 要出去補習，爭入好嘅middle school, or move all the way to long islan ...

We're not talking about money or school fees, but the behaviour of flocking to international schools. Now we don't see New Yorkers beating down the door to enter British German French Japanese Korean and gasp even Singapore international schools, do we {:1_1:}

作者: luingan 時間: 13-7-5 13:50 標題: 回覆：FattyDaddy 的帖子

hkers consider IS = good private school no matter the school was originally supposed to accommodate foreigners.. just like new yorkers are crazy for getting into top rank private schools either

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-7-5 13:55

luingan 發表於 13-7-5 13:50
hkers consider IS = good private school...

HAHA, I think there is more to it than that, but you are entitled to your opinion {:1_1:}

作者: flashingcat 時間: 13-7-5 16:24 標題: 回覆：luingan 的帖子

well, those who have kids in private schools are blue blooded, we can't even get an admission form. we were happy with upper east public school and if we returned to NY, we may consider long island. Only the richest of the rich group will consider private schools but other professionals will not. At least non of our friends considered though our income reached 3XXk per year. Once there was a news on paper, a chairman of a company requested the whole company staff to call one of the elite private schools on the admission day in order to get an admission form. anyway, I am not at that level, I can only enjoy their lives by watching gossip girls. XOXO

作者: md23 時間: 13-7-5 16:32

flashingcat 發表於 13-7-5 16:24
well, those who have kids in private schools are blue blooded, we can't even get an admission form. ...

Yeah, some just use their imagination and say Americans don't avoid public school. For those, I suggest a documentary, nursery university.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-7-5 16:58

Hmm, seems this discussion is going off on a tangent, from accents to local schools vs international schools and then public local schools vs private local schools.

Well, exit time, for me anyway {:1_1:}

作者: nintendo 時間: 13-7-5 22:24

單單美國，不同區域口音都唔同
ny 人常說部份 sf 人用詞怪

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-7-5 22:46 標題: 引用：單單美國，不同區域口音都唔同ny+人常說部

原帖由 nintendo 於 13-07-05 發表
單單美國，不同區域口音都唔同
ny 人常說部份 sf 人用詞怪

如果係 consistent, 咩口音不大問題。雜到一句美音一句英音就敝。

作者: nintendo 時間: 13-7-5 22:57

shadeslayer 發表於 13-7-5 22:46
如果係 consistent, 咩口音不大問題。雜到一句美音一句英音就敝。

同意
因此唔需要分咁清話美音定英音
講真，好多香港人自命讀傳統英文，但其實都係港音，不過自己唔知，以為自己係標準英國英文
唉，老外都唔係個個標準

有網友話要學美音，我就想話，唔該講清楚 d，東岸定西岸，還是中部都 ok
如果自己都唔識分，就唔好咁執著

作者: flashingcat 時間: 13-7-5 23:21 標題: 回覆：nintendo 的帖子

不如你開名係話我啦！可以答你我地識分，我地兩口子都係 mid-west 音，兩個都係係由小住STL。結婚8年move咗6次，東，中，西，南都住過。我並唔介意小朋友係乜美音，但千萬唔好越黎越多雜音夾雜啫。

作者: yumiee 時間: 13-7-6 03:40 標題: 回覆：flashingcat 的帖子

oh!sorry 引起大家爭嗌.

我呢個普通香港人.只係香港口音.唔想個女都係咁.所以想比佢細細個學不是香港口音啫.

多謝大家比下意見. 唔好激氣.

作者: flashingcat 時間: 13-7-6 08:43

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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-7-6 08:45 標題: 引用：回復+yumiee+的帖子唔需要講SORRY,+係有

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乜唔係美國人覺得英國音好性感咩？

作者: Mighty 時間: 13-7-6 09:22

本帖最後由 Mighty 於 13-7-6 04:25 編輯

HAHA、中SAAI亜！！　我覚得英国人口音好SEXY,特別是LIVERPOOL.　ALTHOUGH　土土的、、、、不過原来不講不知、以前英国人講的是現在的美文（即R有巻舌等等）、後来才不断地改変、変了今日的ACCENT。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-7-6 10:47 標題: 引用：+本帖最後由+Mighty+於+13-7-6+04:25+編輯+

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HAHA、中SAAI亜！！　我覚得英国人口音好SEXY,特別是LIVERPOOL ...

我係比 love actually 同 America's got talent 的英國主持，引導我認為英國音在美國受歡迎，唔知啱唔啱。

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-7-6 12:32

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shadeslayer 發表於 13-7-6 10:47
我係比 love actually 同 America's got talent 的英國主持，引導我認為英國音在美國受歡迎，唔知啱唔啱。

It goes much further back than that, if we watch old US movies, especially those made before the 1950's, we would discover that most of the posh and cultured characters talk with Brit-like accents. This phenomenon occurs in old Disney cartoons too, e.g. Snow White (1937), Cinderella (1950), Alice in Wonderland (1951), Sleeping Beauty (1959) etc, all the kings and queens and nobility and gentry sound very Brit.

Nowadays Americans may no longer associate Brit-like accent with nobility, but it still carries a certain exotic quality. In North America, orientals speaking with local accents (or oriental accents) are a dime a dozen, but a Brit sounding oriental really throws people off, just like we would be thrown off by a gwailo talking Cantonese with a ChiuChow accent (think 李嘉誠), it would be an amusing quality that might make an employer remember a certain applicant better.

Good to see this thread going back to discussing accents.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-7-6 12:43 標題: 引用：Quote:shadeslayer+發表於+13-7-6+10:47+我

原帖由 FattyDaddy 於 13-07-06 發表
It goes much further back than that, if we watch old US movies, especially those made before the 195 ...

Like the difference between Regina and Audrey's accents.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-7-6 12:56

shadeslayer 發表於 13-7-6 12:43
Like the difference between Regina and Audrey's accents.

Regina's accent is very Hongkong, she is like a grammatically correct version of Mr Chai (our breast)

作者: Mighty 時間: 13-7-8 08:15

FattyDaddy 發表於 13-7-6 07:56
Regina's accent is very Hongkong, she is like a grammatically correct version of Mr Chai (our breast ...

I am thinking the same!! And always wonder why her English accent/pronounciation is so Hong Kong.

作者: FattyDaddy 時間: 13-7-8 08:56

Mighty 發表於 13-7-8 08:15
I am thinking the same!! And always wonder why her English accent/pronounciation is so Hong Kong.

Regina had a very Hongkong education, went to Hongkong University, and many adults can't shake off an accent they devrloped in their childhood, assuming she wants to shake it off {:1_1:}

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-7-8 09:49 標題: 引用：Quote:FattyDaddy+發表於+13-7-6+07:56+Reg

原帖由 Mighty 於 13-07-08 發表
I am thinking the same!! And always wonder why her English accent/pronounciation is so Hong Kong.

A person brought up and educated in HK having English as good as Regina's is an achievement. Her accent is very HK but she has nothing to be ashamed of.

Just how Audrey acquired her accent is a mystery to me.

作者: Mighty 時間: 13-7-8 10:38

shadeslayer 發表於 13-7-8 04:49
A person brought up and educated in HK having English as good as Regina's is an achievement. Her acc ...

我就不認同、以我記憶中REGINA有留過学、留左幾耐就不記得了。　其実只要早年多留意別人（NATIVE）的発音、就不難改変的。　REGINA比我感覚是個好主観的人、所以没想到需要改自己口音JE.　我都係係香港受大部分教育、ALTHOUGH我不是在香港讀大学（也不是在西方国家）、我都無香港一般LOCAL口音。　我不是説我有過人之処、最主要我較早発覚NATIVE同香港人的発音不同之処、多加留意、改善等等。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-7-8 12:14 標題: 引用：Quote:shadeslayer+發表於+13-7-8+04:49+A+

原帖由 Mighty 於 13-07-08 發表
我就不認同、以我記憶中REGINA有留過学、留左幾耐就不記得了。　其実只要早年多留意別人（NATIVE）的発音 ...

That was after 2003 she went to Standford for a year or two. That did not count because she was over 40 when she went.

Did you ask some native English speakers to comment on your accent? If you did not study in an English speaking country and yet you really lost your HK accent and did not pick up mainland or Taiwan accent, that is a very good story to tell and I am sure many of us want to hear.

American speak with American accent and the Brits have various British accents. People in China has mainland accent and those in India have the unmistaken Indian accent. Why should someone be ashamed of themselves for XX accent because he/she was brought up and educated in XX country or city?

作者: nkpa 時間: 13-7-8 12:59

The real thing is: some HK people are proud of their US/UK accent, but very few (if any at all) are proud of HK accent.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-7-8 13:06 標題: 引用：The+real+thing+is:+some+HK+people+are+pr

原帖由 nkpa 於 13-07-08 發表
The real thing is: some HK people are proud of their US/UK accent, but very few (if any at all) are ...

I not saying proud, I am saying not to be ashamed of.

作者: Mighty 時間: 13-7-8 15:32

有無天分我５知、不過我覚得自己開左竅、明白応該要不同o的「調子」去講不同o的語言、我係日本讀大学、我o的日文都無香港人口音架。[Why should someone be ashamed of themselves......]我又覚得５係話ASHAMED　５　ASHAMED、既然学得外語、又点解５去WUN方法、PICK　UP英/美口音、要用広東口音？　做不到１００％、都可以７、８０％GE.　

作者: yumiee 時間: 13-7-8 22:40 標題: 回覆：Mighty 的帖子

咁用乜方法呢?

作者: Mighty 時間: 13-7-9 11:01

yumiee 發表於 13-7-8 17:40
咁用乜方法呢?

睇下係你自己、定係小朋友、如果係小朋友、就一定要同ＮＡＴＩＶＥ学（任何語言都係、因為年紀小、会自然ＰＩＣＫ　ＵＰ到語調）、始終年紀細学、就容易好多。　但如果我地已経成年了、就要下多点工夫。　首先是従毎一個字、簡単的字都要、再好学下ＩＰＡ、便会発現我地有好多錯音。　例、ＭＡＮＡＧＥ　（ＩＰＡ　符号　mæn
ɪdʒ）這個字的第一個Ａ同第２個Ａ是不同音的、如果２個Ａ都讀成同一Ａ音、就好港式、葉劉就係死係ＮＥＥ　Ｄ位。　当単字的発音好了後、就留意ＮＡＴＩＶＥ成日都有的連音、脱音等。　最後就留意毎句的高低音。　這個ＰＲＯＣＥＳＳ都幾ＢＯＲＩＮＧ、ＢＵＴ習慣了就好有成功感。　順属個人分享。

作者: mamath 時間: 13-7-9 12:13

I think this is a good question. I personally prefer UK English and therefore have chosen UK educational materials in particular for my 19 month old son. I chose Oxford Path instead of Disney simply because of this reason. And I also subscribed BBC television programmes for myself and my son.

All these do not guarantee UK accents but hopefully he can be immersed in this accent when he is young. Playgroup and KG teachers come from around the world and sadly I cannot control that part.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-7-9 13:32 標題: 引用：Quote:yumiee+發表於+13-7-8+17:40+咁用乜

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睇下係你自己、定係小朋友、如果係小朋友、就一定要同ＮＡＴＩＶＥ学（任何語言都係、因為年紀小、会自然 ...

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作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-7-9 13:57 標題: 引用：Quote:yumiee+發表於+13-7-8+17:40+咁用乜

原帖由 Mighty 於 13-07-09 發表
睇下係你自己、定係小朋友、如果係小朋友、就一定要同ＮＡＴＩＶＥ学（任何語言都係、因為年紀小、会自然 ...

成年後改 accent 非常難，有興趣無妨，但效果成疑。質疑別人英文好，溝通無問題，但不改善香港音，是吹毛求疵。

作者: Mighty 時間: 13-7-9 16:56

我又５覚得係吹毛求疵、有時５知道的時候、就５知自己錯、比人指摘後、先知自己一路都係讀錯、然後慢慢改過来。　有興趣改善英文讀音的朋友、可以試下。

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-7-9 19:50 標題: 引用：我又５覚得係吹毛求疵、有時５知道的時候、

本帖最後由 shadeslayer 於 13-7-9 19:57 編輯

原帖由 Mighty 於 13-07-09 發表
我又５覚得係吹毛求疵、有時５知道的時候、就５知自己錯、比人指摘後、先知自己一路都係讀錯、然後慢慢改過 ...

留意我說英文良好及溝通無問題，如葉劉。在這前題下要改 accent ，不應視為必要，不應被指責。而只是為興趣。

作者: Mighty 時間: 13-7-9 20:53

Shadeslayer, although係中文、其実我５係好明白你講緊MAAK。　不過、５緊要、因為我覚得我Ge回答対這条THREAD無MAAK貢献、所以我会在此消失。対改善口音有「興趣」的朋友、可以試下我GE方法、WORK　５　WORK都無壊。　

作者: picture 時間: 13-7-15 14:08 標題: 回覆：應學英國還是美國英文

my humble opinion is as long as it is not Aussie accent and the child is not taught to read July 1st as July one!!!!

作者: Mighty 時間: 13-7-15 14:28

Oh I wonder why not Aussie accent? Aussie accent can vary a lot... some part is just like English English but with more emphasis on the A, I found it ok bor. One of my tenants is an Aussie and is teaching English and I really love her accent.

作者: shadeslayer 時間: 13-7-15 15:55 標題: 回覆：應學英國還是美國英文

When HK's DSE students' English passing rate is less than 50%, you guys are talking about which accent to learn, like you have much control over that for your kids?

作者: Mighty 時間: 13-7-15 20:47

BUT NEE　度係国際学校 FORUM BOR？　在這個香港教育制度下、辺果会対在本地学習外語有希望鴉！！　聴下「NG得点」D英文就知LA！！　但係、但係、有興趣改的、就５同LOR.　一般香港年青人、無懶音都好難得LA.

作者: samsam123321 時間: 13-7-27 01:01

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作者: victoryu19 時間: 13-11-15 13:26

i prefer to stay away from the British accent myself.

作者: annie40 時間: 13-11-15 14:09

Regina 是英国文学女状元, 是少有的文采高手, 跟念法律的Audrury,作比较, 是orange and apple, 並你合理. 如果有机会问当事人, 可能得谈笑!

作者: cowmoon 時間: 13-11-15 16:45

想深一層，如果想做 global citizen, 到時你的同學／同事可能來自 54 個國家，口音還重要嗎？

作者: victoryu19 時間: 13-11-15 16:48

I prefer 'soccer' over 'football', 'eraser' over 'rubber', 'aluminum' over 'aluminium', etc.

作者: HKTHK 時間: 13-11-15 16:50

回復 annie40 的帖子

It is nice to see that there are parents with so much time and effort that they can worry about which accent to get!

作者: annie40 時間: 13-11-15 17:36

回復 HKTHK 的帖子

就呢有人問學俄羅斯語, 應該學西部, 或中部或北部口音, 又或批評ValdimirPutin 的俄音夠唔夠標準, 又或Merkel的東德時代生活, 令她的德國口音永遠唔夠好!

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