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作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 07-10-21 16:40 標題: SPCC vs SSCPS vs VSA vs ISF

St. Paul Co-edu College Primary School (DSS)
St. Stephen College Primary School (private)
Victoria Shanghai Academy (private)
ISF Academy (private)

If the above 4 primarys accepted your child, which one will you choose?

Why?

Thanks for your nice sharing.

作者: mattsmum 時間: 07-10-21 18:28

if i can afford,

ISF- 一句: " 值",
真正的小班教學,不要家長自已落手脚,

原文章由 Yau_Cheung 於 07-10-21 16:40 硐表
St. Paul Co-edu College Primary School (DSS)
St. Stephen College Primary School (private)
Victoria Shanghai Academy (private)
ISF Academy (private)

If the above 4 primarys accepted your child, which ...

作者: jujuy 時間: 07-10-22 11:39

ISF Academy

作者: Tatama123 時間: 07-10-22 16:24 標題: If compare SSCPS & VSA ?

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作者: NeoMom 時間: 07-10-22 16:50

原文章由 jujuy 於 07-10-22 11:39 硐表
ISF Academy

呢間係唔係要買債券至有得int果間呀?

作者: jujuy 時間: 07-10-22 16:59

原文章由 NeoMom 於 07-10-22 16:50 硐表

呢間係唔係要買債券至有得int果間呀?

只要交$1000報名費

作者: mattsmum 時間: 07-10-22 18:14

fee received by school for each student:

(remember private independant school receives a school campus almost free, DSS received additional tuition fee from government:)

ISF- 10500 per month, 15-18 students per class,

St. stephen stanley- 5800 per month, 30 students per class

victoria- 6200 or 6700 per month ( can't remember the detail figure), around 30 students per class,

St. paul co-ed - 4800+2500=7200 per month, 30 students per class,

st. paul bo= 3000+2500 = 5500 per month, 30 students per class,

general international school = 8000 per month. 20-28 students per class,

st. JO = I think it would be 2500, but I am not sure.

did anyone compare the class size / teacher's no. and qualification?

原文章由 Tatama123 於 07-10-22 16:24 硐表
If compare SSCPS & VSA ? Which one is better ?

作者: Ah-One 時間: 07-10-22 20:32 標題: SPCC vs SSCPS vs VSA vs ISF

May I know what is the additional fees on top of the school fees for each of the school listed??

Thank you.

Ah-One

作者: jujuy 時間: 07-10-23 12:06

原文章由 mattsmum 於 07-10-22 18:14 硐表
St. paul co-ed - 4800+2500=7200 per month, 30 students per class,

what about +2500 additional monthly fees?

作者: mattsmum 時間: 07-10-23 12:40

no no no

the 2500 dollars are the money given to school by HK government.

原文章由 jujuy 於 07-10-23 12:06 硐表

what about +2500 additional monthly fees?

作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 07-10-23 13:21

原文章由 mattsmum 於 07-10-22 18:14 硐表
fee received by school for each student:

(remember private independant school receives a school campus almost free, DSS received additional tuition fee from government:)

ISF- 10500 per month, 15-18 ...

hi mattsmum,

Nice to hear you again. I've updated school fee for Victoria Shanghai Academy.

For 2007/08
P1 to P6 : HK$65,000 / yr (10 instalments)
S1 to S4 : HK$68,000 / yr (10 instalments)
S5 to S6 : HK$88,000 / yr (10 instalments)

作者: Tatama123 時間: 07-10-23 14:14

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作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 07-10-23 14:42

原文章由 mattsmum 於 07-10-22 18:14 硐表
fee received by school for each student:

(remember private independant school receives a school campus almost free, DSS received additional tuition fee from government:)

ISF- 10500 per month, 15-18 ...

hi mattsmum,

I've worked out the following table.

:

Information of year 2007:

School

Medium

Location

Teaching Method

No. of students

No. of teacher

No. of NET

Degree teacher

No. of Master teacher

Exam/ test

School fee (07 to 08)

Students per class

Religion

ISF

Eng+Man

Cyperport

IB MYP & DP

750

100%

Continuous evaluation

Year 1 to 5 : HK$105,000 per yr

15-18

Nil

VSA (primary)

Eng+Man

Wong Chuk Hang

IB PYP, MYP & DP

249

80%

Continuous evaluation

P1 to P6 : HK$65,000 per yr

29-30

Nil

St. Stephen (Stanley)

Eng+Man

Stanley

校本

524

88%

2 tests & 2 exams per yr

HK$58,000 per yr

Christian

St. Paul boys

Can+Eng

Hill Road, Sai Wan

活動

553

58%

18%

2 tests & 2 exams per yr

HK$30,000 per yr

Christian

St. Paul Co-edu

Cantonese

Wong Chuk Hang (fr 2008)

Traditional

782

At least 4

Around 92%

At least 2

4 tests & 2 exams per yr

HK$48,000 per yr

Christian

St. Joseph

Can+Eng

Wood Road, Wanchai

Traditional

1,800

82%

2 tests & 2 exams per yr

Nil

Catholic

作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 07-10-23 14:58

原文章由 Tatama123 於 07-10-23 14:14 硐表

Hi Yau_Cheung & mattsmum,

Compare with St Stephen & VSA, which one is better ? Any comments ?

hi Tatama123,

Personally, I like VSA more than St. Stephen.  It's because most VSA students love their school and enjoy to learn in VSA.  Besides, most of them love reading so much.

I met 2 St. Stephen students before, 1 is P4 and the other one is P2.  I found that their homework / dictation are quite difficult which may beyond their abilities.

P4 boy has a reading comprehension homework related to "Leader".  I found that the P4 boy cannot understand many vocabulary and he was very difficult to answer the questions.  I remember the 1st question is "What are the qualities of a Leader?"

P2 girl has chinese dictation and it covered more than 50 chinese words.  E.g. mouth, hope, mature, etc.  (sorry I haven't writing board at home).  Actually, she always mix some words and she just memory the words and cannot follow 筆順．:-|

作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 07-10-23 15:11

No. of NET	Degree teacher	No. of Master teacher	Exam/ test	School fee (07 to 08)	Students per class	Religion
5	100%	5	Continuous evaluation	Year 1 to 5 : HK$105,000 per yr	15-18	Nil
??	80%	??	Continuous evaluation	P1 to P6 : HK$65,000 per yr	29-30	Nil
9	88%	7	2 tests & 2 exams per yr	HK$58,000 per yr	30	Christian
3	58%	18%	2 tests & 2 exams per yr	HK$30,000 per yr	30	Christian
At least 4	Around 92%	At least 2	4 tests & 2 exams per yr	HK$48,000 per yr	30	Christian
??	82%	??	2 tests & 2 exams per yr	Nil	??	Catholic

作者: Tatama123 時間: 07-10-23 15:41

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作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 07-10-23 19:42

原文章由 Tatama123 於 07-10-23 15:41 硐表

Hi Yau_Cheung,
St Stephen is more homework & difficulty than VSA.
If you get a seat at St Paul Boy & St Joseph, St Paul Co-edu & DBSPD? Which one you will choose ?

1. ISF - because small class size, runs IB, the closest one, happy learning
2. VSA - runs IB, distance is OK, happy learning
3. St. Stephen Stanley - quite demanding, far away
4. St. Paul Co-edu - very demanding, distance is OK
5. St. Paul boys - quite demanding, close to my home, but it's a boy school
6. St. Joseph - quite demanding, distance is OK, it's a boy school too
7. DBSPD - too far away

The above is just my personal opinion and it's my ranking. I don't interpret anyone is better than the others.

作者: Tatama123 時間: 07-10-23 20:49

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作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 07-10-23 21:42

原文章由 Tatama123 於 07-10-23 20:49 硐表

Hi Yau_Cheung,

Thanks for your sharing. Would u choose ISF or VSA for your child ?

hi Tatama123,

I'm still under consideration as my child is K2. But ISF is too expensive. Besides, I still hesitate because both (ISF & VSA) has no track record (only has junior secondary). No information for university allocation.

作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 07-10-23 21:45

hi Tatama123,

Is your child studying K3? What are your target primarys? St. Paul Co-edu? St. Paul boys? St. Joseph? DBSPS? St. Stephen stanley? Are you live in Hong Kong Island? What is your ranking?

作者: Tatama123 時間: 07-10-23 22:02

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作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 07-10-23 22:25

原文章由 Tatama123 於 07-10-23 22:02 硐表

Yau_Cheung,

Yes, My son is K3 and very busy to have some interview in this month. I live in HK side & prefer studying in HK, due to VSA & ISF has no track record though they have happy learning. I d ...

hi Tatama123,

Which kin is your son studying? Do they have past primary allocation record?

作者: mattsmum 時間: 07-10-24 20:41

謝了,這是很好的資料,不過弘立和VSA的老師數量好像不對,另有冇IS的比對資料?

原文章由 Yau_Cheung 於 07-10-23 15:11 硐表
No. of NET
Degree teacher
No. of Master teacher

..

作者: mattsmum 時間: 07-10-24 20:46

本來講教育是不想拉到錢上的,講錢是想知道什麼是現今教育最低服務,什么是附加值。資料來源是上网及參觀,如果家長可以報料,令學校資料透明度高些,對大家都好。

官津直資的課程是幾乎一樣的,在政府的五指山下,小三要考TSA,小六參加政府的'升中試',中一就參加分班試等。學校不能單提供IB課程,一定要參加3-3-4。因為政府是提供了錢給這類學校的。

私立/private independant/IS就可以有自已的自由度,弘立/ VSA可以自已決定怎樣辦學,不參加政府的考試等等。至於IS提供的是本國的課程和服務水準。

官津校如st. Jo /lasa,私立如DG,預算那麼少也能提供好服務,值得贊揚考獎:本港教育水準高。

預算比官津高的各种直資、私立、IS, private independant school, 如維記/弘立/耀中/RC,;卻也有官津沒財力提供的好服務,如:

小班教學,有些學校每班學生可以少至15人,師生關係密切,老師可以教得更深入,可以就學生的能力幫她一把。(官津直資老師工作量大得沒時間照顧每個學生,怪不得補習社大行其道,好像正規學校沒盡責任似的。)
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低班有助教彧雙班主任,幫助能力未達標的學生,有的學校甚至有專門幫助學習困難學生的老師,
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學生能根據自己的能力，靈活選擇不同程度的科目組合,學生數學好可以跳級與高年級上課,中文科也一樣。(不要以為這是IS專有的,大陸的名中學也一樣有,香港一般學校資源並不能提供這樣的靈活度。)
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有的雙語學校如VSA/弘立提供的是沉浸式中英文教育,提供有利的語言環境。有孩子讀過維記雙語班的家長應知沉浸式是多麼有效。那些只靠Net teacher每星期3、4小時的英語not good enough.
有專業的圖書館管理者就學科單元介紹適當的閱讀書籍,
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有正式的輔助課程包括speech and drama,電腦輔助專題研究reseach skill,甚至有職業導向的課程如汽車設計,cooking,
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中學有專業的career master,知道怎樣就孩子的職業性向介紹大學試前幾年的選科,怎樣包裝學生以便得到大學入門的資格。(不要envy IS的學生大學入得好,他們可是有專業的建議。不信下次參觀問一問。)
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校舍比較好,有泳池、飯堂。
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有各种外展或往外地的團体活動。

社會改變得很快,學校的教育也應跟得上時代的改變。尤其是已有更好的水準/服務可以參照學習。當然前題是少個錢也不行。

孩子生得越來越少,家長的教育程度越來越高。再保持現狀,十年二十年後是什么光景?(幸好小班教學來了,現狀也許會改變)。

情況就像吃飯,太爺那代有飯吃就行了,爺爺那代要有白飯青菜,爸爸那代有湯有飯有菜,我們這代什麼都有,孩子那代更看重建康食品。如果"教育"這餐廳只管吃飽就算,怎成呢?

其實越來越多家長願意上"要付費"的學校,而這類學校也在"壟斷"的教育體系中開了缺口。

話拉遠了,看看學校在每個學生身上收了多少學費(不是家長付了多少), 再看看學校提供什麼服務。

原文章由 Yau_Cheung 於 07-10-23 19:42 硐表

1. ISF - because small class size, runs IB, the closest one, happy learning
2. VSA - runs IB, distance is OK, happy learning

作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 07-10-24 21:02

原文章由 mattsmum 於 07-10-24 20:41 硐表
謝了,這是很好的資料,不過弘立和VSA的老師數量好像不對,另有冇IS的比對資料?

hi mattsmum,

The information I stated in the table is from the book issued by Eugene Group (2007 edition). Anyone has 2008 information?

作者: Tatama123 時間: 07-10-24 21:13

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作者: mattsmum 時間: 07-10-24 21:51

all these are very very good schools.

why not let your child choose?

原文章由 Tatama123 於 07-10-24 21:13 硐表

mattsmum,
你似乎都幾buy IB,If compare VSA & Stephen , 你會點揀?
If 1st round St Jo get a seat, 讀St Jo or VSA & Stephen 好? How about St Paul Boy ? Any comments.

作者: Tatama123 時間: 07-10-24 22:49

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作者: Yau_Cheung 時間: 07-10-24 23:15

原文章由 Tatama123 於 07-10-24 22:49 硐表

mattsmum,
My son like St Jo, but too many homework and need to under pressure. I concern I can't handle it.

hi Tatama123,

One of my neighbour is studying in St. Joseph. He is a polite and quiet boy. His mum is a full time mum.

[ 本文章最後由 Yau_Cheung 於 07-10-24 23:17 編輯 ]

作者: mattsmum 時間: 07-10-25 21:19

I know three families who were old boys and send their son there to st. Jo,

they seem to handle well.

原文章由 Tatama123 於 07-10-24 22:49 硐表

mattsmum,
My son like St Jo, but too many homework and need to under pressure. I concern I can't handle it.

作者: Tatama123 時間: 07-10-25 21:49

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作者: mattsmum 時間: 07-10-25 22:26

let him choose, trust a kid's 6th sense,

原文章由 Tatama123 於 07-10-25 21:49 硐表
mattsum,

你有咩高見? ISF 我就畀唔起

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