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作者: zhumama 時間: 07-9-13 00:03 標題: RC or SJS 究竟哪間較好
RC or SJS 
Which one is better?
Any comments?
Thank you.
作者: mabelku 時間: 07-9-13 17:06
Really depend on how you expect the chinese standard.
As SJS 2 class of Chinese only but RC everyday have chinese lesson.
作者: christf 時間: 07-9-13 17:47
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作者: sks 時間: 07-9-13 18:01
zhumama,
It really depends on your expectation on Chinese Standard which is the selling point of RC.
For me, I will choose ESF. RC is too new.
In addition, it seems quite a lot of its students are transfered from local school. To be honest, it is easier to enter as compared with other ESF.
作者: Fattymom 時間: 07-9-13 18:19
:-| I've applied for both. I asked a lady in RC, she said there is no conflict to apply both and the admissions process will go together. Do u think that it is true? Last year, if u apply for both, u can't get an interview from them unless u've chosen which school u prefer; and therefore some students missed the 1st round interview. Honestly, I dare not to apply for SJS only, its catchment area is too big. The chance to get 1st round interview in SJS is very slim. I hope my son can be interviewed in the 2nd round. Besides, I've applied for ICS.
作者: Cara2006 時間: 07-9-13 19:14
如果你一心覺得 SJS 英語環境優，都係自我心理安慰。
我有一對外籍朋友，他們的兩個孩子讀 SJS 幾年，佢地話今年好多 local school 插班入去，中學部 SC 都係。講講下，佢地話原來以往都係喇，尤其 SC 個年班，一直都好鍾意吸納 D local school 學生，佢地好鐘意收 DGS，GHS 這類名校生，不過今年係特別多。成日話佢地公開試點叻，其實有幾多真係從小由 ESF 培訓出來，還是都係要靠外援，要靠 D 本地名校生幫佢地打天下。
至於 RC，今年先係第二年，更加冇乜好提。
ESF 根本唔係大家主觀願望覺得，咁 international，好似個個都講到佢地點好，點叻；但係唔該大家真係睇真 D 先啦。
ESF 咁鬼死多間學校，出幾個公開試考得好的，有幾奇？
而且講真，個 D 叻的，又有幾多個真係自小讀 ESF ？
個個根本唔知頭唔知路，就學人 application form，衰 d 講，有好多父母，自己 26 個字母都未識得晒，就心頭高，想仔女讀國際學校，其他國際學校又比唔起，就揀最平的 ESF ，甚至而家 RC，DC 都殺。
唔好咁天真啦，你以為 ESF 真係咁國際？十幾年前就係，而家間間都係本地中國人讀多。我講你唔好信，去學校門口睇下，聽下，根本話就話英語教學，學生有一半根本私底下係講廣東話。
當然，ESF 家長多，( 而家加埋 RC，DC，真係好大勢力 )，大家都好齊心唱好學校，講得多，讚得多，個個信以為真，我地這些講真話，講事實的，亦好快會被一眾 ESF 家長圍攻；亦由此可見，ESF 學生/家長質素係點。
其實，香港好多真正好的國際學校，我個人覺得 ICS，CAIS 同 SIS 都辦得較好。
作者: zhumama 時間: 07-9-13 20:45
SKS, christf, mabelku, fattymom, cara2006,
Thank you all for the reply to my questions.
My case is like that......
My son had passed the enrollment tests in RC and ICS at
the same time last year. we chose RC under the deep
thought because I thought it would suit my son better. In order to have an “insurance”, we’d made some reserves.
Time passed by and RC didn’t let me down. My son had a wonderful and fruitful academic year in P1. Unexpectedly, SJS called us to have the interview and my son got the
vacancy. How to make the choice? I really don't kown.
I really don't want to have a wrong decision making.
作者: 阿胡 時間: 07-9-13 21:23
原文章由 Cara2006 於 07-9-13 19:14 硐表 
如果你一心覺得 SJS 英語環境優，都係自我心理安慰。
我有一對外籍朋友，他們的兩個孩子讀 SJS 幾年，佢地話今年好多 local school 插班入去，中學部 SC 都係。講講下，佢地話原來以往都係喇，尤其 SC 個年班，一直都好鍾意吸納 D ...
wow, 不出來說一出聲, 大家還真是以為ESF會這麼差.
不敢苟同.
哈哈.
作者: Ruby1219 時間: 07-9-13 21:27
Although I do agree to some of your arguments such as the ESF nowadays are not as "international" before (but "international" does not necessarily mean good or better), but I really think that you can watch out your tone and manner. I can't appreciate your way of expresing your opnion and really found it offensive.
Ruby
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如果你一心覺得 SJS 英語環境優，都係自我心理安慰。<br />
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我有一對外籍朋友，他們的兩個孩子讀 SJS 幾年，佢地話今年好多 local school 插班入去，中學部 SC 都係。講講下，佢地話原來以往都係喇，尤其 SC 個年班，一直都好鍾意吸納 D ...
作者: WYmom 時間: 07-9-13 21:56
原文章由 zhumama 於 07-9-13 20:45 硐表
SKS, christf, mabelku, fattymom, cara2006,
Thank you all for the reply to my questions.
My case is like that......
My son had passed the enrollment tests in RC and ICS at
the same time last ...
It is stated very clearly on the website that there is no vacancy for outsiders applying into SC in Year 7 and 8 and it is also the fact that all year 7 and 8 students come from ESF primary schools. Even for upper years, there are only one or two newcomers. What Cara2006 said is false. You can check with ESF Management office.
For RC, I know that they have accepted a lot students from local schools into secondary schools as they have more Y7 classes than Y6.
So both SJS and RC are good, depends which secondary school you prefer more.
[ 本文章最後由 WYmom 於 07-9-13 21:59 編輯 ]
作者: primary2007 時間: 07-9-13 23:19
本人路經IS,發現Cara2006原來是一個沒有國際視野的家長！
在英國、美國、加拿大等多HK/Mainland人移居的地方，他們的孩子只用在學校學英語/說英語，回到家後他們都是說中文/看中文錄影台。試問他們的父母可能連26個英文字母都不曉，但他們的孩子都會說得一口流利的英語，這樣英語環境是否等同現在在HK讀國際學校的學生嗎？
現今香港人及教師的英語發音，20/30年來都未進步過！試問怎樣教導我們的下一代啊！昨天才發現我們常常說的SONY(一個common Japanese brand name)發音都是錯的！
假如國際學校不用交學費，我都想我們的下一代在這樣的英語環境讀書！
原文章由 Cara2006 於 07-9-13 19:14 硐表
如果你一心覺得 SJS 英語環境優，都係自我心理安慰。
作者: christf 時間: 07-9-13 23:29
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作者: zhumama 時間: 07-9-13 23:30
WYmom
You got the point. Thank you very much.
Everyone, I'd like to get some more details if you don't mind.
Can most of the SJS students be promoted to SC of year 7?
The students are ranked according to their grades or simply be sort from the living zone of Shatin ?
Some other students who live in Tsing Yi, Olympic or Lai King will be sent to Island School of year 7?
As RC is new, how can we take the comparison between RC and SC? 
Any suggestions? Thank you.
原文章由 WYmom 於 07-9-13 21:56 硐表
It is stated very clearly on the website that there is no vacancy for outsiders applying into SC in Year 7 and 8 and it is also the fact that all year 7 and 8 students come from ESF primary schools. ...
作者: Kareese 時間: 07-9-13 23:40
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作者: bawt 時間: 07-9-14 00:37
Cara2006 很憎恨 ESF，這是再明顯不過的。其實，一直都有這類人在 BK，見怪不怪。
我只覺得，人生匆匆數十年，與其懷著憎恨過著每一天，倒不如積極面對，開開心心的過將來的時間。
作者: hjm 時間: 07-9-14 09:55
::" /> Being a new parent with RC, all these postings do make me nervous!
I may be one of those who didn't really plan for this to happen, but when it did, we had a bit of luck too.
True RC has opened more classes for Year 7. There are 2 classes transferred from Tsing Yi who are housed here RC for this year (and maybe next year too I cannot recall).
That's exactly why we were able to get into the school. Otherwise queuing with SC may mean another year or two. I don't mind the school being new....as long as there is the team who wants to drive the school to success and strive to help students to grow.
I'm also hopeful the school won't let us down. At the same time we must be a little patient. We just thought an IS environment will suit my son a little better with the learning environment and encouragement he cannot get from a local school.
Really there is no need to play down a school, but if it's personal experience we're more than willing to hear and share!::" />
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作者: Claria 時間: 07-9-14 10:26
何解要比較?各有所求,各有所需.
ESF家長覺得ESF好,有何問題?
"""其實，香港好多真正好的國際學校，我個人覺得 ICS，CAIS 同 SIS 都辦得較好。"""
作者: zhumama 時間: 07-9-14 12:12
Our choice is the IS for my son that is quiet sure. Of course there are some other parents have different choices according to specific reasons.
Thank you all for your response and opinions.
My question is which school is more suitable for my son, RC or SJS? Base on WYmom's logic, we can think in this way. Which secondary school is more suitable for my son, RC or SC?
As RC is new, how can we take the comparison between RC and SC?
Any suggestions? Thank you.
By the way, any mom from RC or SC secondary school here?
作者: mabelku 時間: 07-9-14 12:55
1.SC好似不是直升的,RC就是,如不對,請指正!
2.現時,你的小朋友只到P.1,真的好難講那間好D,RC就比較新,但你又不能保証他數年後差過SC.另外,如果SC不是直升,到時你又要找ESF其他學校.
3.我女兒同學同你一樣,讀讀吓RC,SJS叫佢去INTERVIEW,起初都想去INT.但因INT.時間不能改,那家長又要去功幹,她說那位負責安排INT.的人又答得好不禮貌,所以放棄了,但她都沒有可惜,因她都覺得她女兒現時在RC讀得好,便算.
4. 最後,希望大家不要太激,無論IS,DSS, PRIVATE,GOVERMENT 學校，都是有好處，有不好的地方，大家在這裡發言，都是想給人或者為自己兒女了解多ＤInformation. 不是冇事找人罵戰的．
開心ｄ，禮貌ｄ啦．．
原文章由 zhumama 於 07-9-14 12:12 硐表
Our choice is the IS for my son that is quiet sure. Of course there are some other parents have different choices according to specific reasons.
Thank you all for your response and opinions. ...
作者: WYmom 時間: 07-9-14 14:15
原文章由 zhumama 於 07-9-14 12:12 硐表
Our choice is the IS for my son that is quiet sure. Of course there are some other parents have different choices according to specific reasons.
Thank you all for your response and opinions. ...
As you know,SC takes in students within their zone, so their students come from different ESF primary schools, majority from SJS, some from BHS and a few from other ESF schools. RC is through train and has no catchment area, so RC primary will definitely join RC secondary.
Another aspect you may consider: SC students still need to join GCSE at Y11 and IBD at Y13, RC students will take IBD at Y13 only. So depends which way you like. I think it is really difficult to say which one is better, only which one is more suitable to you.
作者: zhumama 時間: 07-9-14 14:16
mableku
Thank you very much for your sharing. I agree with you.
I think RC is a good school since my son is studying in it. Iam sure about it and my son fit into it smoothly. That's why it is so difficult for us to make the decision to take the offer of the SJS vacancy.
We've visit SJ and we've gotten more details about their teaching and leaning. Threre are 30 students in one class. However there are only around 23 students each class in RC. As I saw there were one teacher assistance each class in SJS but there was teacher assistance available for the classes in RE. So I think they are quiet similar in the proportion of teachers and students.
Anyone knows more about the P2 students' teaching and learning in SJS?
Any mom from RC or SC secondary school here to share with us?
原文章由 mabelku 於 07-9-14 12:55 硐表
1.SC好似不是直升的,RC就是,如不對,請指正!
2.現時,你的小朋友只到P.1,真的好難講那間好D,RC就比較新,但你又不能保証他數年後差過SC.另外,如果SC不是直升,到時你又要找ESF其他學校.
3.我女兒同學同你一樣,讀讀吓RC,S ...
作者: zhumama 時間: 07-9-14 14:25
WYmom,I agree with you.
Thank you very much for your sharing.
原文章由 WYmom 於 07-9-14 14:15 硐表
As you know,SC takes in students within their zone, so their students come from different ESF primary schools, majority from SJS, some from BHS and a few from other ESF schools. RC is through train ...
作者: christf 時間: 07-9-14 16:12
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作者: christf 時間: 07-9-14 16:16
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作者: WYmom 時間: 07-9-14 16:59
原文章由 christf 於 07-9-14 16:16 硐表
Don't be mislead!
If your kid is studying in any ESF primary (except joining the ESF primary at year 6), your kid will be guaranteed an ESF secondary place, i.e. the learning from ESF primary to seco ...
Christf,
I have not misled anyone, I did not say that there is no guaranteed to ESF secondary, I only said that SC accepts students based on zone, zone of SJS is different from SC. So SJS is not through train to SC, but of course they have guarantee to ESF secondary based on residential zones.
On Chinese standard, it is not so simple to just compare the no. of classes per week. It all depends on the standard of students, a lot of SJS students have extra Chinese classes after school, so some of them have higher standard. RC seems to have a better Chinese program for primary students, which may meet the needs of local parents.
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作者: christf 時間: 07-9-14 17:20
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作者: hjm 時間: 07-9-14 22:56
A friend of mine told me today his son has been in ESF from P1 up to now Year 9. He thinks when his son was just finishing primary his Chinese was at local equivalent of roughly P2 or P3.
My son left after P5 into RC at Yr 7. He's still studying P5 Chinese (because Chinese isn't really his cup of tea and he didn't do very well before anyway, way behind his English) now but there is another class doing P6 Chinese. Probably because there are quite a few outsiders from local school, the Chinese standard is better than students from purely IS environment.
Of course now even at P5 Chinese it will all be in Mandarin, so I think it's hard enough for my son. He said he has 5 periods spread over 3 days in a week. But again since he already has some Chinese (at least P5 local), he can read fictions and write and read. He's learning Kumon so hopefully that will help his pin yin. I dunno yet, but the IS environment is really what we chose. And because RC did have a better chance to get in, so why not! OTherwise, we would be crazily doing exercises and exercises for P6 exams now!
作者: zhumama 時間: 07-9-15 00:15
Dear hjm,
Thank you very much for your information.
Would you mind telling me their math level which compare with the local schools?
And what are their daily writing in Eng and Chin?
Is there any test for Yr 7 students?
Thank you.
作者: xenonlit 時間: 07-9-15 10:03
原文章由 zhumama 於 07-9-15 00:15 硐表
Dear hjm,
Thank you very much for your information.
Would you mind telling me their math level which compare with the local schools?
And what are their daily writing in Eng and Chin?
Is there any tes ...
It is not appropriate to compare directly the level of most of the subjects between IS and local school, especially at primary level. The curriculum and requirements of say, maths, between local schools and IS (or schools abroad) are very different. Of course local schools’ requirement and achievement are much high. But what about university level? I don’t think the maths level at MIT is worse than any of the HK universities. The main gist of the education in IS is to provide the environment for children to build a good foundation. Children at IS is taught to learn by themselves rather to learn what is taught by teachers. The pace at IS is likely to be slower, but the ultimate goal can still be achieved with happy lifelong learning.
作者: kathiema 時間: 07-9-15 10:23
原文章由 xenonlit 於 07-9-15 10:03 硐表
It is not appropriate to compare directly the level of most of the subjects between IS and local school, especially at primary level. The curriculum and requirements of say, maths, between local sc ...
Agree!
作者: xenonlit 時間: 07-9-15 10:56
原文章由 christf 於 07-9-14 16:12 硐表
SJS/SC over RC:
1. Well-proven and excellence track records
2. Well-established education system and structure
3. Better resoruces available because of government
funding
4. A strong alumni ...
Thank you for your observations/analyst. But:
1. If it is true that SJS/SC have better track records than RC, then “Well-proven and excellence track records” is a point to consider whether to choose SJS/SC or RC. But this has not been proved since there is no such records of RC. The students starting Year 1/Year 7 at RC may or may not be more brilliant than students of SJS/SC. So it is unfair to say SJS/SC over RC because “Well-proven and excellence track records” at this moment. But time will tell.
2. I don’t know much about the education system in SJS/SC, but as far as I know SJS has shifted to IB starting from this year which is new to the school. I am not sure if the shift has any impact to the education system and the structure of the school.
3. Can you name some of the better resources with SJS/SC so more info to consider?
4. It is a good point that SC has a strong alumni and connections with overseas universities because of the track records of old students
5. I found from the relevant websites that school fees at SJS/SC/RC are:
SJS - $54,300 p.a.; SC - $85,000 p.a. while RC(Primary) - $64,000 p.a. and RC(Secondary) - $88,000 p.a.. Do you mean RC will raise its school fees again soon?
作者: JennyBaBa 時間: 07-9-15 14:57 標題: Thanks to Ms Ann Green
My girl is studying at ESF Kennedy school. Her class teacher last year, Ms. Green, has been transferred to RC this academic year. Ms. Green is a very good teacher. She really cares about her pupils, love them, and know how to encourage her students. My girl misses her a lot. Just take this chance to express our gratitude to her and feel happy to her students in RC.
作者: hjm 時間: 07-9-15 19:06
原文章由 zhumama 於 07-9-15 00:15 硐表
Dear hjm,
Thank you very much for your information.
Would you mind telling me their math level which compare with the local schools?
And what are their daily writing in Eng and Chin?
Is there any tes ...
I'm still a new parent at RC, but i'll try answering your questions.
Since the maths is now in Eng it will mean a little difficult if the Eng language has not been used often enough before. My son is a lot stronger is Eng than Chi all along and his Maths was OK. He said now Maths is covering aspects he has learnt before so he has no problem at all. He has also learnt a bit of F1 Eng like Algebra when he was P5.
I just received a notice to parent on Eng Test. They are taking this serious enough...at least from my perspective they listed the format, expectations about homework and assessment on the notice and ask the parents to read and sign. It will be held next week.
My son also said every now and then they have little assessment to see how they have been doing. They have advisors (is this the format in all ESF secondary?) and they meet with the advisor in a group every morning. Advisors are like mentors who help the students in every aspect.
I do not know how well or poor my son's standard is yet, he only said he's fine. Will need to see when it comes to parents day meeting with the teacher! Then I'll be able to tell more about the standard.
作者: zhumama 時間: 07-9-15 22:01
Xenonlit, Kathiema, Jennybaba, Hjm,
Thank you all for your response
According to our observation, in SJS there are 30 kids in one class. In RC, the number of students is around 24. I know both schools have a teacher assistant in each class.
I met some teachers in SJS. Like RC, they are hardworking. The classrooms in SJS are not so big. Kids have to eat lunch there. The library is not big.
Both the SJS and SC have very good reputation. RC, as you mentioned, is new but has potential to grow because of the staffs and facilities.
It's difficult to make the choice.
作者: christf 時間: 07-9-16 00:29
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作者: zhumama 時間: 07-9-16 14:27
Thank you very much for everyone's information and analysis.
Does anyone knows how many children are there in the class of P5 ,P6 and P7 in RC or SC?
Thanks.
作者: chingyu 時間: 07-9-16 22:00
christf and all,
(1) Resources
Sorry, I still don't understand why you said resources in SJS better than RC. Could you please list out more specific? Obviously the campus and location in RC both are better a lot.
(2) Teachers
I heard many good teachers from other ESF had changed to RC now. Let cite Ms. Green from ESF Kennedy as an example. Why this happen?
Some parents said most of RC teachers were Australian because of lower salary. In contrast, RC website clearly showed that most of teachers are Canadian with many years teaching experience. (I am NOT the one who has discrimination. I have just quoted another parent's dialogue.)
Besides, RC's principal (Mr Peter Kenny) always reinforces that he would screen the teachers and have interviews in different countries with very strict standard. How about SJS? I heard many ESF teachers were back-packers nowadays. Is that true? How can I see the background details of teachers in SJS? In RC, I can check all teachers' background via its website.
(3) Teacher / Student's ratio
1:26 in RC
1:30(?) in ESF including SJS
(4) Chinese (Mandarin)
RC Y1-Y2 - at least 40 mins/lesson for 4 days
RC Y3 or above - I heard it's over 40mins/lesson for 5 days (My daughter in Year 1 learned 8-10 Mandarin songs from August 21 to last Friday-Sept 14. She could translate the lyrics from Mandarin to Cantonese. She told me all Chinese writing had finished within the class.) How about SJS? May you please tell us more? Why can't we presume RC really invests more resources in Chinese than other IS? Besides, how many Chinese teachers for how many students in SJS? What's these teachers' academic level?
Last year (the first year of RC), RC got Champion in Speech Festival. As you mentioned that Chinese standard in SJS is growing now, did SJS join any events/competitions or hold any summer trips so as to motivate students in learning Chinese/Madarin?
(5) Good reputation (?)
Personally I don't want to choose DGS/St. Paul Co-ed so I changed my target to IS. I hope that a school may motivate kids to learn more instead of kids well trained for a school.
(6) Withdrawal
Last year (my daughter still didn't join RC), my friends' daughters in SJS, she always told me that lots of students in SJS withdrew to other IS schools. Why this happen?
As a parent of RC, we did have some consideration about other schools say SJS because every parent would choose the best to his/her kids. However, do you know why we have such hesitation now though it seems most of people think SJS over RC? We RC parents really think RC satisfactory.
All above questions are open for discussion. It's welcome that PARENTS ESPECIALLY FROM SJS shares more details with us because we really want to know the REALITY. At this moment, I still didn't apply SJS because we really have hesitation to change as long as RC runs quite well indeed. Certainly we would consider other ESF including SJS if we know more specific how they work over RC after counting the opportunity cost.
Above all, RC is unlike those DSS (say CKY, HKUGA...etc), we parents so far don't have any complaint although it is a new school. This point can show Mr Peter Kenny who really waved his magic wand and did something amazing, right?
[ 本文章最後由 chingyu 於 07-9-16 22:07 編輯 ]
作者: Brent 時間: 07-9-17 00:27
原文章由 zhumama 於 07-9-16 14:27 硐表
Thank you very much for everyone's information and analysis.
Does anyone knows how many children are there in the class of P5 ,P6 and P7 in RC or SC?
Thanks.
This is not a new question and different people will have different answer.
As I live in Shatin, I see many students wearing ICS, SJS, RC uniforms (more of them are wearing local school uniforms though) at my estate every morning.
Parents all have their own choices for different reasons.
As my son is at RC, I find it a good school.
I also believe that SJS is a good school.
If you don’t find RC better than SJS, there is no point to pay higher school fee for RC.
I know that there are students switching from RC to SJS, and SJS to SIS this year.
I am not sure whether there are any students switching from SJS to RC.
My son was also offered an interview by SJS but we did not take it because I find RC better than SJS because it meets my requirements more.
As long as a school is good enough, it is the parents who make the children different.
I care whether my son can score more than 40 in IBD than the percentage of students scored more than 40.
作者: zhumama 時間: 07-9-17 09:46
Chingyu, Brent,
Thank you very much for your responses
I know there is something from the bottom of my heart which is I think RC is more suitable for my son because my son has been studying in it and we know more about it . That is why we have such a long time of hesitation to consider the offer of SJS.
But as many friends told us SC is a school with a good reputition, we just like standing at a cross street.
It's really making me headache
Base on WYmom's logic and comments, we can think in this way. Which secondary school is more suitable for my son, RC or SC?
Does anyone know SC more?
Thank you.
作者: WYmom 時間: 07-9-17 10:11
原文章由 zhumama 於 07-9-17 09:46 硐表
Chingyu, Brent,
Thank you very much for your responses
I know there is something from the bottom of my heart which is I think RC is more suitable for my son because my son has been ...
If you think RC is more suitable, then stay in RC. Your son is only in P1, so he will study in secondary only after 6 years, and graduates from secondary after 13 years. At that time, RC is no longer a new school and will have 14 years of track records, so not too much a concern by then.
SC is of course a very good school, my kid is studying there, very competitive and challenging, well-balanced in all aspects, have well-established culture and high school spirit. I believe RC can be the same too in next 10 years' time.
作者: 阿胡 時間: 07-9-17 10:24
原文章由 WYmom 於 07-9-17 10:11 硐表
...
SC is of course a very good school, my kid is studying there, very competitive and challenging, well-balanced in all aspects, have well-established culture and high school spirit. I believe RC can be the same too in next 10 years' time.
Hi, WYmom.
我多次聽人講起SC很好, 而以學生畢業時的結果來看, KGV就不如SC. 您知道原因嗎? 是因為學校好, 還是學生素質好?
多謝.
作者: WYmom 時間: 07-9-17 10:34
原文章由 阿胡 於 07-9-17 10:24 硐表
Hi, WYmom.
我多次聽人講起SC很好, 而以學生畢業時的結果來看, KGV就不如SC. 您知道原因嗎? 是因為學校好, 還是學生素質好?
多謝.
Wow, your question is so sensitive. Hmmm.. I don't think KGV's result is not so good as SC?? Maybe KGV has more classes, different combinations, larger variances... they have a student getting 10A* this year... so I guess more or less the same. Sorry, I don't know too much about it.
It all depends how parents educate their kids and the overall peer academic atmosphere, I think. You are more experienced with IS than me, I believe you know more.
[ 本文章最後由 WYmom 於 07-9-17 10:51 編輯 ]
作者: ChingChingDad 時間: 07-9-17 12:47
原文章由 阿胡 於 07-9-17 10:24 硐表
Hi, WYmom.
我多次聽人講起SC很好, 而以學生畢業時的結果來看, KGV就不如SC. 您知道原因嗎? 是因為學校好, 還是學生素質好?
多謝.
Many people said that SJS/SC are not international because of the higher percentage of Chinese students. I think this is an advantage; Chinese parents are more concern about their children's academic performance. In Britain and America, Chinese students are high performing minority; some experts there have studied them in order to find out the reasons behind their success.
SC is a good school that is why so many parents have tried very hard to get a place for their children but we can’t ignore the contribution of the caring parents. SCMP has mentioned another reason for SC’s success: the location. In the neighborhoods of SC we can find quarters of Chinese University, Baptist University, Polytechnic University and Prince of Wales Hospital. Many parents are professionals; they have lived a better life because of their academic success. They surely will pass the key to academic success to their children. We should not underestimate our contribution to our children’s success.
[ 本文章最後由 ChingChingDad 於 07-9-17 12:50 編輯 ]
作者: zhumama 時間: 07-9-17 15:02
Yes, I agree with you, ChingChingDad.
作者: 阿胡 時間: 07-9-17 15:24
ChingChingDad:
謝謝!
作者: yymom07 時間: 07-9-17 15:29
To me, I think the most important issue is whether the child is enjoying the school life. If you like RC and your son loves RC, this is the thing you need to consider. When do you need to make your final decision? It's almost 1 month after the school year started and your son may find it difficult to get accustomed to the new school if you choose to switch (esp. when he loves his present school. He will wonder why mom and dad take him out of the school that he loves). And choosing a P1 school for him is not the ultimate end. If you eventually don't like RC (for whatever reason), you can always apply for other schools (not only SJS) later in his life.
The question of whichever school is better than whichever school is neverending. There are always people who think that "the moon in a foreign country is rounder" while others strongly believe that "theirs is the best". It's a quite subjective thing which is exactly why you have to ask yourself in your heart which school you (esp. your son) like most.
This is just my opinion.
[ 本文章最後由 yymom07 於 07-9-17 15:33 編輯 ]
作者: zhumama 時間: 07-9-17 18:24
Thank you, yymom07.
作者: Cara2006 時間: 07-9-17 19:30
咁即係點呀？
揀國際學校，要揀中國人多的？
如果咁樣計，港島區好多國際學校，如 GSIS，CANIS等，都唔合格？但係人地成績都好好喎。
其實，國際學校中國人多，安慰自己，就話學生學習氣氛好，但係其實係代表英語環境唔夠。
唔好同我 ARGUE，話個個有 NATIVE ENGLISH 水平，有人都講話 SC YEAR 7 用中一課本，如果話這批學生都係自 P1 由 ESF 升上去，有人信嗎？係人都知 ESF 小學中文唔強，但到 YEAR 7 竟然可以用中一課本，我就覺這批學生都係中途插班，之前讀了多年本地小學。
一方面又強調 SJS/SC 少收插班生，但另一方面又要強調學生中文好，叫人點信？
我話多插班生唔係老作，其實往年一直都有，我都有朋友早兩年幫孩子插過班去 SJS 同 BHS。今年更易有幾奇？唔好唔記得 ESF 集團又多了一間新分店 - RC，我有朋友孩子讀開 KJS 都轉了 RC，佢話亦有人由 CWBS 同 SJS 轉去 RC，唔係今年轉，而係舊年就轉了校，我相信出年，再多一間分店 DC，肯定會又有一個轉校潮，尤其一向好多另外藉人士都住 DISCOVERY BAY，佢地而家有自己的中學，一定好多都會唔出香港讀。根本 ESF 學校多了學位，係有現實的原因，大家否認唔到。
如果真係有興趣考 ESF (包括 RC，DC) 的人，尤其插班的，唔好比人嚇，一於去馬，入 FORM，D 人話難考，話考唔到，多數都係 D 讀開 band 2-3 local school 的學生，得罪講句，普通英文對答都未掂，就膽粗粗學人考國際學校，唔比人 OUT 先奇。我就知年年都大把 band 1 local school 學生成功考入 ESF 學校，亦係各個年級都有。而且，每年都有有好多不自量力的人，跟風學人考國際學校，ESF 學費平，即使 RC/DC 話冇資助，都比大部份其他國際學校平；現實就係咁，好多人根本比唔起更貴的學費，佢地根本唔會去考 HKIS，CANIS，唔係唔鍾意 HKIS，CANIS，而係真係高攀唔起。ESF 可以話係國際學校 "入門版"，學費其實只比部份名直資多少少，減去書簿費，英文補習費，即使要加上中文補習，但係其實計落條數都唔會貴好多，咁投考 ESF 人數最多，真係唔奇。因此，ESF 多人考，唔代表就係好，可能只代表最多人 AFFORD 得起。
話我係考唔到 ESF 先咁講？
人地講 D 你唔想聽的，就話很地係酸葡萄？
咁我都認係唔夠你地講，你地學校集團咁大，人多勢眾。
[ 本文章最後由 Cara2006 於 07-9-17 19:33 編輯 ]
作者: Fattymom 時間: 07-9-17 20:51
Cara2006,
You're so bright and sensible! Your comment is really get to the point!!! I can't find any "ordinary" IS parent here can give such "opinion". PLEASE MIND your manner! I agree that everyone can express his/her opinion freely and I also respect to most of them. However, don't treat most of the chinese IS parents are naive and stupid!!!! Some BK members are parents of certain IS. They share what they experienced and noticed. What's yours?
Extracted from Cara2006 "話個個有 NATIVE ENGLISH 水平，有人都講話 SC YEAR 7 用中一課本，如果話這批學生都係自 P1 由 ESF 升上去，有人信嗎？係人都知 ESF 小學中文唔強，但到 YEAR 7 竟然可以用中一課本，我就覺這批學生都係中途插班，之前讀了多年本地小學"
I read lots of your comment. If u're not satisfied with IS or the chinese IS parents, it's better not to come here and chat. It'll disappoint u only because all of us are irrational & not as smart as you!
[ 本文章最後由 Fattymom 於 07-9-17 20:53 編輯 ]
作者: cpmummy 時間: 07-9-17 23:49
原文章由 Cara2006 於 07-9-17 19:30 硐表
咁即係點呀？
揀國際學校，要揀中國人多的？
如果咁樣計，港島區好多國際學校，如 GSIS，CANIS等，都唔合格？但係人地成績都好好喎。
其實，國際學校中國人多，安慰自己，就話學生學習氣氛好，但係其實係代表英語環境唔夠。
唔好同我 ARGUE，話 ...
Cara2006,
I just curious which school is your child studying now? How good they are?
作者: ChingChingDad 時間: 07-9-18 00:42
[quote]原文章由 Cara2006 於 07-9-17 19:30 硐表
咁即係點呀？
揀國際學校，要揀中國人多的？
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I didn't say that, but my son told me that most of the naughtiest classmates are not local.
其實，國際學校中國人多，安慰自己，就話學生學習氣氛好，但係其實係代表英語環境唔夠。
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According to the letter from SJS's principle, most students in P.3 have passed an assessment designed by Durham University with results:
Mathematics General: More than 2 years above
English General: More than 2 years above
* Compared with students studying in England.
If you really know someone studying in SJS, you can easily find out whether the assessment result above is correct. If you really know someone who is studying in SJS, you should know their English standard.
They do talk to people in Cantonese, when they find people who can't understand English very well. They are not stupid!!!
有人都講話 SC YEAR 7 用中一課本，如果話這批學生都係自 P1 由 ESF 升上去，有人信嗎？
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Many SJS students have parents teaching them Chinese at home and they also attend after school Chinese Classes, like Kumon. Some families hire private tutors. The Chinese curriculum is not very strong in the past, but SJS has hired more teachers to implement the new Chinese Curriculum. Now they have Mandarin lesson everyday.
Warning: the Information Pollution Index is high today , please avoid reading polluted messages.
作者: Kareese 時間: 07-9-18 01:25
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作者: WYmom 時間: 07-9-18 07:18
原文章由 Kareese 於 07-9-18 01:25 硐表
"我就知年年都大把 band 1 local school 學生成功考入 ESF 學校，亦係各個年級都有。"
請問妳點知？妳在ESF Admin處做的嗎？or 妳識人係入面做？
This guy is not an ESF parent, why bother when we are discussing ESF schools with ESF parents ourselves?
Besides, students switching from local to IS or IS to local are very normal, parents just find the suitable schools for kids, what's the problem? It is a FACT that the admission language requirements of ESF is high and the priority rules are more for non-Chinese speaking students, so it is not easy for local students to be accepted. For RC, the priority rules are different, so it is easier for locals to join. It is a requirement from the govt to meet the high demand of local parents, which is good for the public.
作者: zhumama 時間: 07-9-18 09:32
Dear Cara2006,
It seems that you know a lot about IS. May I know which school is your child studying now?
Zhumama
原文章由 Cara2006 於 07-9-17 19:30 硐表
咁即係點呀？
揀國際學校，要揀中國人多的？
如果咁樣計，港島區好多國際學校，如 GSIS，CANIS等，都唔合格？但係人地成績都好好喎。
其實，國際學校中國人多，安慰自己，就話學生學習氣氛好，但係其實係代表英語環境唔夠。
唔好同我 ARGUE，話 ...
作者: christf 時間: 07-9-18 10:02
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作者: 阿胡 時間: 07-9-18 10:06
每個小朋友資質不同, 文化背景不同, 家庭環境不同, 自然英文程度會有差距. 只要學校不將差學生踢出校門, ESF一定有學生英文不好, 不足為奇.
英文是如此, 中文也一樣. 一個人可以溫文爾雅, 另一個人可以......
哈哈, 語言真是奇妙.
作者: chingyu 時間: 07-9-18 12:49
Hi christf,
Thanks for your long reply. hey, please calm down. I guess you mis-understood my meaning and tone. My previous post just would like to have MORE SPECIFIC information of SJS/SC. I know zhumama as well. I hope to help her find more details only.
Your valuable input is good for us because you are well-experienced parent. I know your kid changed two IS, certainly you know more than me, right? I am still OBSERVING whether RC is a good school to my sweetie. I only can say so far I feel “SATISFIED” as other parents I recognized in RC.
Sorry that I am NOT RC' fans. I don't intend to argue anything. As I said, I also want to know more INFORMATION and REALITY how SJS is better. I “may” also consider SJS if I can gather more actual figures how SJS is better and more appropriate to my daughter. Why not?
However, I won't simply rely on “track record”. My daughter is only YEAR 1 right now. How can I predict the result in YEAR 12 or YEAR 13 (talking 10 years later)?
I heard many good comments of SC years ago. However, recently I heard many “bad” comments and “rumours” about the teachers and management from two ways – my friend's mouth (her two daughters are studying there) and a so-called ESF teacher (via www.batgung.com). That’s why I want to ask more and know more about SJS/SC here. If SJS is good, how come so many children would move to SIS and other schools? Please understand I don't mean SJS is NOT good. I don't have any experience at all. How can I comment it? This is merely a question from my heart. I really want to find out the answer.
Please don't make any personal attack. Please don't name me RC's fans or Mr. Kenny's fans just because I reckon RC good so far. I am NOT familiar with them. I may criticize RC or Mr. Peter Kenny if I find anything wrong about the school later on. Do you have any children studying in RC before? If not, how can you comment it? Just like I also can't comment SJS/SC.
In response to your question whether my daughter got accepted by DGS/ST. PAUL CO-ED, I may tell you "IMPOSSIBLE". As I said I don't think it's appropriate to my daughter, I even didn't SUBMIT the application form.
p.s. I NEVER SAY "DGS/St. Paul Co-ed can't motivate the kids in learning". Please don't wrongly re-write my sentence!!!! I respect those graduates from these two wonderful schools.
Once again, thanks for your sharing. Have a nice day too!
Cheers,
chingyu
[ 本文章最後由 chingyu 於 07-9-18 12:55 編輯 ]
作者: zhumama 時間: 07-9-18 21:40
Thank you all for your responses.
Different parents have different choices. I agree with Chingyu that she just want to give me some more information in order to help me choose a more suitable school for my son.
We're going to make the decision.
Thank you very much for all of your precious opinions and sharing.
I hope the princes and princesses of all BK parents enjoy their fruitful and delightful school life.
Thank you all again.
作者: JennyL 時間: 07-9-19 11:40
I agree with chingyu.
I think many parents are merely asking for more information or views here and unfortunately some parents are taking these "enquiries" as challenges or insults, and would reply in a very unfriendly tone.
Parents should of course come forward to clarify misunderstanding but may be we should also consider not being hostile.
Honestly, I appears to me that some parents have stopped posting messages here totally. It is really sad, and to be honest, quite sick to see that some parents are always endlessly picking on a few particularly international schools.
I agree that we have to support our own schools and THAT is what we call school spirits or morale. But how far should we go to support our schools? Do we have to always "win" in these discussions, when there is obviously no true winners? I would think that getting informations and support here is more important here at BK than "winning" in an argument.
I must thank a few very generous parents, from ESF or RC, for their friendly messages: WYmom, ChingChingDad, Nanshanlu, Chingyu, etc. Sorry I must have missed some others. All the best wishes to these friendly people.
[ 本文章最後由 JennyL 於 07-9-19 11:46 編輯 ]
作者: zhumama 時間: 07-9-20 01:15
JennyL
作者: cpmummy 時間: 07-9-20 14:28
hi all,
thank you for everybody's sharing.
BK is really a good place for everybody to share their views. I love to hear comments from different people, no matter positives or negatives, people always look at the things from different angle, no need to argue, as just a matter of "half full" or "half empty".
Cara2006's posting might make us feel he/she is picking bone fromt he egg, but it do help parents to think twice before sending their child to so called "good" school. Parent should understand their own requirements instead of just following what the majority of people saying "good".
In fact, I am a SJS's parent, my child is year 1, my child loves this school so much, she is very happy there, with her old friends from kindergarten plus the new friends from different classes, I don't care how many chineses how many now-chinese were in her class or in her school, I agreed with their teaching philosophy and their learning atmosphere, encourage reading everyday, I feel like crying when I read a newsletter from school two weeks ago, about the accessment, they were doing assessment for each Y1 pupils last week, the purpose is, they want to understand each pupil's level in english and maths, so they could tailor made to suit for each pupil's need, this is exactly what I want they do.
Best regards,
cpmummy
作者: chuchuma 時間: 07-9-25 09:08 標題: RC or SJS 究竟哪間較好
I totally agreed with cpmummy.
I sent my son to ESF Kinder pathing the way to SJS not because their English standard (if you are so concern about the english standard, you may send them to study abroad earlier) or any othe reasons just because I believe their mission and teaching philosophy, most of all, their learning pattern fits my son's character.
I also heard a lot of good word of mouth of RC, I also applied for my son as a back up, however, a very realistic fact was that SJS has track records. I struggled for quite a long time but if at last, my son will only accepted by RC, I would be also appreciated with the arrangement.
作者: ChingChingDad 時間: 07-9-26 16:14
原文章由 chuchuma 於 07-9-25 09:08 硐表
I totally agreed with cpmummy.
I sent my son to ESF Kinder pathing the way to SJS not because their English standard (if you are so concern about the english standard, you may send them to study abro ...
In fact, the English and Math standard of SJS students are higher compared with students studying in UK.
According to SJS's 2005/2006 School Report
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Assessment and Reporting Our end of Year 6 QCA standardised test results were once again very impressive.
Level 5 is the highest possible score and 65% of our children achieved this for both English and Maths.
As compared to the UK where schools are set a National target of 80% to achieve level 4 or higher. Sha Tin Junior School students achieve well above with 91% for Maths and 96% for English respectively.
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作者: KenjiMa 時間: 07-9-26 21:10
My son just started P1 in ESF. I have few questions:
1. Where can I get the school reports for other ESF schools?
2. How to find the qualification of the ESF teachers? RC & DC have posted the qualification of the teacher but I can't find the same in ESF school website. Are the ESF teachers mainly from UK?
3. In the upper primary, do they have a lots of homeworks?
4. How do parent know the progress of their learning? Since they have no textbook, I am not sure what exactly they done in school. (My son only said they play at school)
5. Any comments on the afterschool Mandarin program by the World Wide Workshop?
Thanks
作者: mamandy 時間: 07-10-3 20:14 標題: what do RC, SJS, SIS,ICS, CAIS,SC mean?
sorry, I'm a new comer. Can any one tell me what do they mean? I just want to know the full name of these schools.
thanks indeed.
作者: 阿胡 時間: 07-10-3 20:59
RC: Renaissance College (ESF independent school)
http://www.renaissance.edu.hk
SJS: Shatin Junior School (ESF)
http://www.sjs.edu.hk
SIS: South Island School (ESF)
http://www.sis.edu.hk
or Singapore International School
http://www.singapore.edu.hk
ICS: International Christian School
http://www.ics.edu.hk
CAIS: Christian Alliance International School
http://www.cais.edu.hk
SC: Shatin College
http://www.shatincollege.edu.hk
For ESF: http://www.esf.edu.hk
作者: mamandy 時間: 07-10-3 22:59
to: Ah Wu ~ thanks very much! It helps a lot when I read the comments.
作者: bbsweet 時間: 07-10-14 10:00
Dear all,
I would like to ask if there is any school bus service betwee SJS / RC and Tsuen Wan Area? and if yes, can i have more details about the route?
Thanks in advance.
作者: bbsweet 時間: 07-10-14 10:13
Dear all,
one more thing, its about the school zone, is Tsuen Wan included in the zone of SJS?
作者: bbsweet 時間: 07-10-17 21:08
anyone knows please tell?
作者: bbsweet 時間: 07-10-19 21:53
無人搭？唔通無小朋友住荃灣又返SJS and RC?
幫下手啦，Thanks
作者: WYmom 時間: 07-10-19 22:06
原文章由 bbsweet 於 07-10-14 10:13 硐表
Dear all,
one more thing, its about the school zone, is Tsuen Wan included in the zone of SJS?
Tsuen Wan is not in the zone of SJS. You can check details from ESF website.
RC has bus service going to Tsuen Wan. That's all I know.
作者: chingyu 時間: 07-10-19 22:44
Hi bbsweet,
Hope I may help you because I did dial to these two schools and search the details as below few months ago.
For SJS, the school bus service is organized under PTA. As Tsing Yi is under the catchment of SJS while Tsuen Wan is not. Actually SJS is not responsible for taking care of students who are not living under its catchment.
In this case, the bus company merely provides a direct school bus service from Tsing Yi Martime Square to SJS this year. It takes 30-40 mins only. For those students living in Tsuen Wan, they have to take their own transportation to Tsing Yi first and then take the school bus back to the school;and vice versa. There are approximately 30+ students so the school bus company provides a large limousine this year. Students get on at 8:05am and get off at 3:20-3:25pm. According to the spokesman under PTA, this route is not fixed. It is subject to change upon the needs of students.
For RC, there is no catchment restriction. There are many school bus routes from different locations to RC. You may read the detailed information from its website. The advantage is students may wait for the school bus at the exact location you are living in. The drawback is the travel time would be rather long because they need to pick up/drop off every student at different spots. In my daughter's case, we are living in Tsing Yi. Her bus route is #14. She needs to get on at 7:30am and get off at 3:35-3:40pm (This travel time was reduced after discussion with school bus company).
Cheers,
chingyu
原文章由 bbsweet 於 07-10-19 21:53 硐表
無人搭？唔通無小朋友住荃灣又返SJS and RC?
幫下手啦，Thanks
[ 本文章最後由 chingyu 於 07-10-19 22:50 編輯 ]
作者: bbsweet 時間: 07-10-20 11:41
Many thanks WYmom
原文章由 WYmom 於 07-10-19 22:06 硐表
Tsuen Wan is not in the zone of SJS. You can check details from ESF website.
RC has bus service going to Tsuen Wan. That's all I know.
作者: bbsweet 時間: 07-10-20 11:46
hi chingyu,
Many thanks for your detailed information,
i surf the website but could not find any information about the bus service. Anyway, i quite understand the situation now and i am planning to move to Ma On Shan later.....
Thanks again
原文章由 chingyu 於 07-10-19 22:44 硐表
Hi bbsweet,
Hope I may help you because I did dial to these two schools and search the details as below few months ago.
For SJS, the school bus service is organized under PTA. As Tsing Yi is under ...
作者: Cara2006 時間: 07-10-24 14:35
睇下兩間學校學生表現，就知真係揀唔落手。
作者: jui 時間: 07-10-24 19:02
原文章由 Cara2006 於 07-10-24 14:35 硐表
睇下兩間學校學生表現，就知真係揀唔落手。
cara 2006 D仔仔女女考唔到呀!!!!!!!!!!
她為有喺到發洩一吓囉!!!!!!!!!
cara 2006 唔好灰心喇,吓次再考過,各位媽咪請支持吓 cara2006, so sad
作者: matthewip 時間: 07-10-24 19:06 標題: Some thoughts from a parent of ESF student
Dear all,
I'm just passing by and I found that many parents are actively participated in this forum to discuss about the choices of int'l schools. My girl is studying in Beacon Hill School (BHS) year 5 but I think some of her experiences could be relevant to the discussions here.
First of all I think those parents who are planning to send their children to int'l schools should remember that the systems and most importantly the concepts of western education is different from that of the orient. Foreign teachers always remind students that it is the STUDENTS' responsibility to work hard on their own. They would only give guidances to students and would NEVER push them to do anything. They would also accept differences in standards within a class. As there is no exams in primary schools of ESF (except the QCA tests which are for references only), students are not expect to finish primary years with the same standards. Thus it is hard to say whether ESF students are good or bad in terms of academic standards. In English, Maths and especially Chinese they are divided into different groups according to their abilities.
If you are going to mould a sucessful student in int'l schools, the key person is yourself! We actually put a lot of efforts in finding good books for our girl to read, sending her to Kumon etc. So you would say "Why send your child to ESF?" My answer is that I can enjoy a greater degree of freedom in choosing what my girl is going to learn, and she is also happy to choose what she likes.
作者: Saturn 時間: 07-10-25 00:34
其實都好佩服Cara2006這種誓不數臭ESF不罷休的精神. 不過如果這種'不罷休的精神'用於一啲有建設性既行動上, 會更加事半功倍.
原文章由 jui 於 07-10-24 19:02 硐表
cara 2006 D仔仔女女考唔到呀!!!!!!!!!!
她為有喺到發洩一吓囉!!!!!!!!!
cara 2006 唔好灰心喇,吓次再考過,各位媽咪請支持吓 cara2006, so sad
作者: hjm 時間: 07-10-25 01:27
原文章由 zhumama 於 07-9-14 12:12 硐表
Our choice is the IS for my son that is quiet sure. Of course there are some other parents have different choices according to specific reasons.
Thank you all for your response and opinions. ...
I'm a new parent of RCHK Year 7....comments posted below though not many inputs I'm quite fine with what we get so far!
作者: wewangwang 時間: 07-10-25 14:28
Good sharing, I agree with your view.
原文章由 matthewip 於 07-10-24 19:06 硐表
Dear all,
I'm just passing by and I found that many parents are actively participated in this forum to discuss about the choices of int'l schools. My girl is studying in Beacon Hill School (BHS) ye ...
作者: hjm 時間: 07-10-26 22:19
原文章由 wewangwang 於 07-10-25 14:28 硐表
Good sharing, I agree with your view.
Yeah, as new parents of IS student, I'm also trying to adjust myself....compared to local school, the teachers are not calling me every other day if the kid is not handing in homework. I don't even know when they have assessments. Perhaps we'll find out more when we meet the teachers but really, I'm losing track. And I can choose to stay away if I want to! FOr local school, there is no choice.
And that's why we wanted to try the IS system for our son!
作者: WYmom 時間: 07-10-27 06:52
原文章由 hjm 於 07-10-26 22:19 硐表
Yeah, as new parents of IS student, I'm also trying to adjust myself....compared to local school, the teachers are not calling me every other day if the kid is not handing in homework. I don't even ...
hjm,
In DC, there is weekly newsletter and update for all years on website telling parents what have been done and learnt, and there is a homework folder distributed once every week so that students can do a bit homework for English, Chinese, Maths and Science. So parents can keep good track of what has been taught and learnt.
I heard that RC also has some updates, is it common for all classes or just coming from some teachers?
作者: chingyu 時間: 07-10-27 19:37
WYmom,
Oh really? It seems DC is doing something different from other ESF then. RC didn't update me anything what they had learned except the Chinese workbooks. Besides, my daughter needs NOT do any homework at home.
原文章由 WYmom 於 07-10-27 06:52 硐表
hjm,
In DC, there is weekly newsletter and update for all years on website telling parents what have been done and learnt, and there is a homework folder distributed once every week so that student ...
作者: BBQQ 時間: 07-10-27 22:57 標題: chingyu
My girl is in RC year 2. Other than the regulary school newsletters, I got lots of email and note from the homeroom teacher (sometimes even too much). These include information about new topics that the class will be learning, pictures of the class in action and progress reports on what the kids have done.
I think I did get similar things when my girl was in year one but not as much. But I am not sure whether it is a standard practice or not or depends on the teacher.
作者: JennyL 時間: 07-10-28 10:56
I have talked to many parents from different years and classes. It appears to me that at RC, every teacher can has her/his own way. Some teachers give daily homework, some do not. Some are reporting to parents quite frequently, some do not. Some teachers are more aggressive and they ask children to do things that are more challenging, some do not. Some teachers are doing a mixture of everything in the same class for children of different abilities.
I do believe they have some standard practice in some areas. But when it comes to actual operation, the teachers can have their own decisions.
Now this is exactly what some western countries, eg the US and Canada, are doing. Teachers can have their own way of teaching. As long as they are following the cirriculum, they are free to implement whatever they think are appropriate to conduct.
I am as green as most parents here when we are talking about IB programme, but am quite familiar with the US and Canadian way of teaching. Primary children do almost all work at school. Except that children are expected to read a lot, they do not really have much homework. [I know things are different recently, and some schools (even public schools) are trying to ask the children to daily homework. This is probably an out of topic issue that worth discussion.]
Children at RC have been doing writing, reading, and even a lot of spelling quizes at school. Think about it, learning is supposed to be done at school. All the homework is supposed to be enforcing when they have learnt at school. Now if class teaching/work have been conducted in a proper and professional way by qualified teachers, I think no homework is necessary.
I know parents who have been used to the Hong Kong style primary education would probably feel quite uncomfortable with teachers who do not give out homework at all. And I think some teachers might therefore give out daily homework to students to ease the parents' mind.
The time for the 3-way-conference is coming. I think, if you are really concerned, you should talk to the teachers about it. Ask the teacher for more frequently reports of progress. Ask the teacher to give more homework if you are really that keen. Speak out what you feel and do not feel that you have to accept whatever she/he is doing now. I think teachers would be quite willing to hear from parents.
作者: chingyu 時間: 07-10-28 22:28
JennyL,
Thanks for your sharing. You really can reflect the real picture of RC. Well. Maybe my previous response was too short and simple. Besides, I have just finished chatting with some friends whose children have been still studying in local schools. Somehow I feel a little bit worried if my daughter needs not do any homework. However, I was clear my mind again after refreshing why I decided to put her in IS.
(you know, we parents also need to accustom this learning approach though we have already recognized and believed the philiosophy of IS before choosing it for our kids. It still needs to take some time for brainwashing. hee..)
Say some fair words. My daughter's class teacher also updated us some progress through his website although it is not on a daily or weekly basis.
作者: hjm 時間: 07-10-29 00:32
原文章由 chingyu 於 07-10-28 22:28 硐表
JennyL,
Thanks for your sharing. You really can reflect the real picture of RC. Well. Maybe my previous response was too short and simple. Besides, I have just finished chatting with some friends ...
Yeah...that's why I said I'm still adjusting! I have my elder son through the local school stream for 5 years and know exactly what it's like. It's just very different now he's in RC and seems like I am losing track! I recall asking some parents here that secondary section will have the meet the teachers later...they're doing that soon for Primary. And maybe for secondary they will not rely on parents for routines/daily stuff too much anyway!
作者: WYmom 時間: 07-10-29 08:26
原文章由 hjm 於 07-10-29 00:32 硐表
Yeah...that's why I said I'm still adjusting! I have my elder son through the local school stream for 5 years and know exactly what it's like. It's just very different now he's in RC and seems lik ...
Oh, I think when your kid starts studying in secondary, it is difficult to monitor closely any more. My girl is also studying in ESF Y7 and she only asks me to sign her diary once a week and sometimes she will tell me results of her quiz. But basically they have already learnt to be independent and able to manage their own work. There are some emails from the school telling us events coming up only. So far I see her always doing her homework and reading books after school, and I can read the comments of her teachers on her homework. Is it more or less the same in RC secondary?
[ 本文章最後由 WYmom 於 07-10-31 06:51 編輯 ]
作者: hokittyho 時間: 07-10-30 14:26
這問這兩間學校分別是教繁/簡體字 & 中文是否都只教普通話?
作者: chingyu 時間: 07-10-30 22:56
RC - 繁體字 (普通話)
SJS - 簡體字 (普通話)
原文章由 hokittyho 於 07-10-30 14:26 硐表
這問這兩間學校分別是教繁/簡體字 & 中文是否都只教普通話?
作者: JennyL 時間: 07-10-30 23:23
原文章由 chingyu 於 07-10-30 22:56 硐表
RC - 繁體字 (普通話)
SJS - 簡體字 (普通話)
Your child is pretty!
But I suggest that you remove that photo from your profile.
[ 本文章最後由 JennyL 於 07-10-30 23:29 編輯 ]
作者: hokittyho 時間: 07-10-31 10:40
原文章由 chingyu 於 07-10-30 22:56 硐表
RC - 繁體字 (普通話)
SJS - 簡體字 (普通話)
Thank you for the reply.
作者: BBQQ 時間: 07-10-31 11:45
RC 有教繁,簡體字 for different groups of student.
作者: Saturn 時間: 07-10-31 13:13
Hi Chingyu,
Guess your daughter's photo is the production by Craig Ramsay. The photographer is really very pro. He could grab the shots of children smiling naturally & happily. Did you send email to him to ask for the e-file? Does it cost anything? Thanks.
Saturn.
作者: tweetybird 時間: 07-11-1 11:54
Hi Saturn
如果要將影左的4張相的softcopy燒落隻CD到要俾580元，而個
可以再印的最大size為5x7"，否則個pixel關係太大會有微粒見到的。
坦白說，真係唔係個個的相都影得很好，我女那班的入面有些同學仔影得太黑..有些就坐得太側..故就不是太多人訂得太多..都是訂一兩張作紀念only。
原文章由 Saturn 於 07-10-31 13:13 硐表
Hi Chingyu,
Guess your daughter's photo is the production by Craig Ramsay. The photographer is really very pro. He could grab the shots of children smiling naturally & happily. Did you send email ...
作者: Saturn 時間: 07-11-1 13:10
tweetybird,
謝謝你的回覆.
Saturn.
原文章由 tweetybird 於 07-11-1 11:54 硐表
Hi Saturn
如果要將影左的4張相的softcopy燒落隻CD到要俾580元，而個
可以再印的最大size為5x7"，否則個pixel關係太大會有微粒見到的。
坦白說，真係唔係個個的相都影得很好，我女那班的入面有些同學仔影得太黑..有些就坐 ...
作者: hjm 時間: 07-11-1 18:48
原文章由 WYmom 於 07-10-29 08:26 硐表
Oh, I think when your kid starts studying in secondary, it is difficult to monitor closely any more. My girl is also studying in ESF Y7 and she only asks me to sign her diary once a week and someti ...
Yeah, sounds like it except that my son does not ask me to sign his diary as he does not write it everyday......
作者: chingyu 時間: 07-11-1 21:57
Hi Saturn,
I merely bought Class+Student photo. I didn't request any email file from the school. My husband used his own camera to shoot the small photo. Then, he adjusted the brightness and contrast of photo by special software. The outcome now is even better than using a scanner.
原文章由 Saturn 於 07-10-31 13:13 硐表
Hi Chingyu,
Guess your daughter's photo is the production by Craig Ramsay. The photographer is really very pro. He could grab the shots of children smiling naturally & happily. Did you send email ...
Hi JennyL,
Thanks for your reminder. I will remove it very shortly. I know you mean for the safety sake, right?
作者: BBQQ 時間: 07-11-1 23:21
Saturn,
I did send an email to Craig requesting email proof of my girl pictures according to the instruction on the payment evenople. I got all the proofs the next day right away free.
I knew some of the other parents did the same request and got all the proofs as well.
BBQQ
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